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2013-02-04 22:42:41 utc jmettraux ypz: hello, here is a simplified version of your gists:
2013-02-04 22:42:59 utc jmettraux no forking involved, so no need to connect to the database after the fork, etc
2013-02-04 22:44:09 utc ypz thanks, I was distracted from this project for past week or so
2013-02-04 22:44:20 utc jmettraux no worries
2013-02-04 22:44:22 utc ypz I'll take a look
2013-02-04 22:45:09 utc ypz btw, is there a road map for Ruote project? what other features are in the planning ?
2013-02-04 22:45:59 utc jmettraux I have a todo I follow vaguely
2013-02-04 22:46:31 utc jmettraux but most of my efforts go into the new ruote-asw library
2013-02-04 22:48:59 utc ypz what's meaning of [o] and [x] and [ ] ?
2013-02-04 22:49:34 utc jmettraux [ ] means todo, [o] means done, [x] means not done (for whatever reason)
2013-02-04 22:58:06 utc ypz are there any examples to export a process definition as xml ?
2013-02-04 23:01:09 utc ypz a major concern in our group is that we want to have other people/teams to create process definitions, who are not ruby programmers, or not developers at all, so process definition must be very easy and intuitive.
2013-02-04 23:01:38 utc jmettraux xml is not intuitive...
2013-02-04 23:02:56 utc jmettraux here is an example that turns a process definition to xml
2013-02-04 23:03:16 utc ypz at least more people have already been *forced* to learn xml , and there are xml authoring tools out there (never used such tools before myself) :)
2013-02-04 23:04:02 utc jmettraux from what I've seen in the industry, people are selling BPMN tools and telling "you don't need to program, you just need to draw"
2013-02-04 23:04:17 utc jmettraux and people end up programming and having programmer problems
2013-02-04 23:05:11 utc jmettraux one technique you could use is have a simple DSL, and a translator than turns input in that DSL to ruote's language
2013-02-04 23:05:13 utc ypz management has been pushing commercial apps with fancy GUI based bpm definition tools
2013-02-04 23:05:26 utc jmettraux (or any other tool)
2013-02-04 23:06:37 utc jmettraux btw, this blog is great, it's mainly about BPMN and well, "programming" processes
2013-02-04 23:07:02 utc jmettraux the "basic BPMN assumption" series there is wonderful
2013-02-04 23:08:28 utc jmettraux if you want something fancy but still open source, you could look at the latest jbpm or at activiti, they are both Java, but with Jruby you can easily play with them
2013-02-04 23:08:33 utc jmettraux they both support BPMN 2.0
2013-02-04 23:09:31 utc jmettraux and
2013-02-04 23:10:13 utc jmettraux my preference would be for jbpm, its latest version is tied with drools, a rule engine, so you can play either on the process or on the rules field (or both)
2013-02-04 23:11:18 utc jmettraux but with any tool, user-proofing the process definition/modelling is hard
2013-02-04 23:13:11 utc ypz personally, I would rather just have a tool to create process definitions, and feed results (with necessary transformation) into a ruby app based on ruote
2013-02-04 23:14:07 utc ypz we were a php shop, collectively made the decision to go ruby for all future tools, don't really want to add java into the mix
2013-02-04 23:37:00 utc jmettraux ok