| 2012-07-18 10:16:06 utc | lbt | morning jmettraux |
| 2012-07-18 11:01:37 utc | jmettraux | lbt: evening David |
| 2012-07-18 11:03:20 utc | lbt | hey, it's been a while |
| 2012-07-18 11:04:00 utc | phaeron | ACTION waves hi |
| 2012-07-18 11:04:08 utc | jmettraux | hello phaeron |
| 2012-07-18 11:04:14 utc | jmettraux | yes it's been a while |
| 2012-07-18 11:04:21 utc | lbt | jmettraux: have you seen all the noise around Mer ? |
| 2012-07-18 11:04:33 utc | lbt | (probably not) |
| 2012-07-18 11:04:39 utc | jmettraux | ACTION quickly googles for "Mer" |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:09 utc | jmettraux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_%28operating_system%29 this one ? |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:13 utc | lbt | yes |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:22 utc | lbt | www.merproject.org |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:36 utc | lbt | so we've had our head down doing that for ~ |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:40 utc | lbt | ~9 months |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:43 utc | jmettraux | sweet |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:46 utc | jmettraux | congrats! |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:49 utc | lbt | (we == 2/3 of us) |
| 2012-07-18 11:05:55 utc | lbt | Now: http://www.phonenews.com/core-nokia-meego-team-announces-new-company-in-jolla-20662/ |
| 2012-07-18 11:06:18 utc | lbt | we also have TVOS - a chinese STB vendor, making TVs |
| 2012-07-18 11:06:28 utc | jmettraux | :-) |
| 2012-07-18 11:06:33 utc | lbt | the elusive Spark/Vivaldi tablet... |
| 2012-07-18 11:06:40 utc | lbt | so yeah, been busy |
| 2012-07-18 11:06:55 utc | lbt | Still running BOSS on top of ruote too |
| 2012-07-18 11:07:08 utc | jmettraux | cool |
| 2012-07-18 11:07:23 utc | jmettraux | I like your "mer"itocray ;-) |
| 2012-07-18 11:07:33 utc | lbt | *g* |
| 2012-07-18 11:08:11 utc | lbt | it really is "MeeGo done right" |
| 2012-07-18 11:08:37 utc | lbt | where "right" == opensource ideals with a focus on enabling commercial product delivery |
| 2012-07-18 11:10:06 utc | jmettraux | is phaeron part of your new team? |
| 2012-07-18 11:10:12 utc | lbt | yes |
| 2012-07-18 11:10:20 utc | lbt | can't get rid of him... *sigh* |
| 2012-07-18 11:10:24 utc | jmettraux | lol |
| 2012-07-18 11:10:38 utc | phaeron | We couldn't get rid of lbt either :D |
| 2012-07-18 11:10:56 utc | jmettraux | you guys were very quiet, I was wondering what you were tinkering |
| 2012-07-18 11:11:12 utc | phaeron | well with all the crashing @Nokia .. |
| 2012-07-18 11:11:19 utc | lbt | yeah, we lost a lot of resource |
| 2012-07-18 11:11:33 utc | lbt | couldn't really contribute much :( |
| 2012-07-18 11:13:10 utc | lbt | but ... time has come for an upstream resync |
| 2012-07-18 11:13:22 utc | lbt | so I'm just updating our ruote and associated gems |
| 2012-07-18 11:13:36 utc | lbt | then we can verify our processes and things |
| 2012-07-18 11:13:53 utc | jmettraux | cool, please hit the mailing list and this IRC if you have any issue / questions, I'll be glad to help |
| 2012-07-18 11:13:58 utc | lbt | I did see the work start on ruote-amqp too - that's of big interest |
| 2012-07-18 11:14:16 utc | lbt | did the API change there? |
| 2012-07-18 11:14:52 utc | jmettraux | probably |
| 2012-07-18 11:15:33 utc | jmettraux | taught myself ruby-amqp and tried to make it right (after your team's critics) |
| 2012-07-18 11:15:49 utc | lbt | OK - I'll be a bit careful with it and hopefully try to get that to a useful state for us too |
| 2012-07-18 11:15:55 utc | lbt | you like amqp now? |
| 2012-07-18 11:16:39 utc | jmettraux | it's nice, love the client side configuration |
| 2012-07-18 11:17:23 utc | lbt | good |
| 2012-07-18 11:23:07 utc | jmettraux | I'll try to stick my fingers out and make this new branch of ruote-amqp master soon |
| 2012-07-18 14:12:06 utc | hartog | hi all |
| 2012-07-18 14:18:51 utc | hartog | how can I read a process variable in a LocalParticipane? |
| 2012-07-18 14:19:12 utc | hartog | s/e/t/ |
| 2012-07-18 14:20:37 utc | hartog | or do workitem params make more sense to use then process vars? |
| 2012-07-18 14:30:06 utc | jmettraux | hello hartog |
| 2012-07-18 14:30:37 utc | jmettraux | yes, workitems are they way when you want to the engine to pass info to a participant |
| 2012-07-18 14:33:23 utc | hartog | kthx |
| 2012-07-18 14:33:56 utc | hartog | (when will ruote 2.3 hit the stores?) |
| 2012-07-18 14:34:42 utc | jmettraux | sorry, it won't hit any stores, it's an open source project ;-) |
| 2012-07-18 14:36:15 utc | jmettraux | getting close |
| 2012-07-18 14:36:23 utc | hartog | good to hear! |
| 2012-07-18 14:36:49 utc | hartog | on a side-track: Can I read a process var inside a participant? |
| 2012-07-18 14:37:04 utc | hartog | (although I am already convinced of the params way) |
| 2012-07-18 14:37:49 utc | mister_solo | I think you can use fexp.lookup_variable("varname") |
| 2012-07-18 14:39:17 utc | jmettraux | mister_solo: that's right, with the recent versions of ruote you can also directly say lookup_variable('varname') |
| 2012-07-18 14:39:43 utc | mister_solo | ok I see |
| 2012-07-18 14:39:47 utc | hartog | kthx (again) |
| 2012-07-18 14:40:31 utc | jmettraux | but yes, workitem params (over workitem fields) are a good way to pass one off information to a participant |
| 2012-07-18 14:40:49 utc | jmettraux | a regular workitem field (or a variable) do stick, a workitem params does not |
| 2012-07-18 14:41:09 utc | jmettraux | mister_solo: good to have you on board! |
| 2012-07-18 14:41:34 utc | mister_solo | well, It's been quite a long time ;-) |
| 2012-07-18 14:41:38 utc | mister_solo | this is Nando |
| 2012-07-18 14:42:14 utc | mister_solo | we've been doing great with Ruote, btw |
| 2012-07-18 14:43:26 utc | jmettraux | mister_solo: that's great, I was wondering how it played out for you. Still using it along with Scala? |
| 2012-07-18 14:45:14 utc | mister_solo | indeed! We have three production installations of our Scala-Amqp-Ruote based e-bike fleet mgmt system |
| 2012-07-18 14:45:53 utc | jmettraux | very cool! |
| 2012-07-18 14:46:08 utc | mister_solo | small ones though, but we have just signed a new agreement with another e-bike recharging station manufacturer |
| 2012-07-18 14:46:10 utc | mister_solo | :-) |
| 2012-07-18 14:47:08 utc | mister_solo | here's a little tech-ish presentation, in case you guys are interested |
| 2012-07-18 14:47:09 utc | mister_solo | http://www.slideshare.net/abstracc/gyokuro-architecture-and-business-use-cases |
| 2012-07-18 14:47:47 utc | hartog | ACTION is watching |
| 2012-07-18 14:47:52 utc | jmettraux | thanks a lot! |
| 2012-07-18 14:48:30 utc | mister_solo | thank *you* :-) |
| 2012-07-18 14:48:49 utc | hartog | (i had a thought about combining ruote and akka the other day, to premature to talk about and prob. unfeasible) |
| 2012-07-18 14:49:32 utc | jmettraux | (speaking of actors, celluloid could be cool too) |
| 2012-07-18 14:49:56 utc | mister_solo | well, we're just using AMQP+ruote the JRuby way |
| 2012-07-18 14:50:22 utc | jmettraux | ruote fits in just right for an e-bike system (it'd fit better for you if it were "ruotas" iirc) |
| 2012-07-18 14:50:32 utc | jmettraux | sounds just right |
| 2012-07-18 14:50:40 utc | mister_solo | hehehe |
| 2012-07-18 14:50:43 utc | jmettraux | (a + r + jr) |
| 2012-07-18 14:51:39 utc | mister_solo | next up would be processing the time the user has used in order to get the applicable fee |
| 2012-07-18 14:52:07 utc | mister_solo | so I guess we'll have to use RETE or a simpler decision algorithm |
| 2012-07-18 14:53:21 utc | hartog | mister_solo: the slides where a tad high level w/o someone speaking, but interesting nevertheless |
| 2012-07-18 14:53:36 utc | jmettraux | fixed_fee + time * time_fee ? |
| 2012-07-18 14:54:03 utc | mister_solo | hartog we are working in a lower level edition |
| 2012-07-18 14:54:34 utc | mister_solo | jmettraux: there are different schemas, that's one of them |
| 2012-07-18 14:54:47 utc | mister_solo | plus the penalties |
| 2012-07-18 14:55:01 utc | mister_solo | hartog: thanks! |
| 2012-07-18 14:56:01 utc | jmettraux | speaking of Rete https://github.com/codalytics/ruleby but I guess that with a Scala integration you could use Drools |
| 2012-07-18 14:56:34 utc | mister_solo | yes, we are considering Ruleby as a matter of fact |
| 2012-07-18 14:56:50 utc | mister_solo | since we will use it in another project |
| 2012-07-18 14:57:06 utc | hartog | jmettraux: celluloid does seem cool indeed |
| 2012-07-18 14:57:19 utc | mister_solo | celluloid |
| 2012-07-18 14:57:26 utc | mister_solo | hmmm |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:21 utc | MCamou | Hi all… this is Mario (mr_solo's partner in crime) |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:27 utc | jmettraux | have to go, have a good evening guys! |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:32 utc | mister_solo | cheers! |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:37 utc | jmettraux | MCamou: hello Mario, good to have you here |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:37 utc | hartog | good night! |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:46 utc | jmettraux | thanks! |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:50 utc | MCamou | actually… I still have to put up on GitHub our AMQP Receiver/Participant that uses the RabbitMQ libs |
| 2012-07-18 14:58:55 utc | MCamou | G'nite! |
| 2012-07-18 14:59:42 utc | mister_solo | MCamou: for JRuby... |
| 2012-07-18 15:01:55 utc | hartog | MCamou: I would be very interested in those... |
| 2012-07-18 15:03:08 utc | hartog | I use my homebrew https://github.com/wyngle/amqp-hermes to faciliate comms between ruote and the outside world |
| 2012-07-18 15:04:39 utc | MCamou | hartog: just need to find some time to clean it up a bit for public consumption, and unravel it from our code |
| 2012-07-18 15:05:04 utc | MCamou | hartog: shouldn't be too hard… I hope… |
| 2012-07-18 15:05:10 utc | MCamou | hartog: no tests so far, though... |
| 2012-07-18 15:05:44 utc | MCamou | hartog: I actually "designed" it to be almost plug-in compatible with ruote-amqp |
| 2012-07-18 15:06:27 utc | hartog | MCamou: The 'rework' queue? or master? |
| 2012-07-18 15:06:56 utc | hartog | MCamou: because I dont like the master stuff (sorry Kenneth ;)) |
| 2012-07-18 15:07:45 utc | MCamou | hartog: hmmm… master I think… I did it some time ago |
| 2012-07-18 15:07:58 utc | hartog | np |
| 2012-07-18 15:18:11 utc | mister_solo | by the way... is there someone around here doing dev-ops with Ruote-Kit? |
| 2012-07-18 15:18:33 utc | hartog | mister_solo: what do you mean by dev-ops? |
| 2012-07-18 15:18:46 utc | hartog | mister_solo: using it to check processes during development? |
| 2012-07-18 15:19:26 utc | mister_solo | I was wondering about people deploying RuoteKit |
| 2012-07-18 15:19:44 utc | mister_solo | with process definitions, participants |
| 2012-07-18 15:19:47 utc | mister_solo | models... |
| 2012-07-18 15:20:09 utc | mister_solo | (sorry about the buzzword) |
| 2012-07-18 15:20:51 utc | hartog | when my current project deploys it features but 2 ruote-kits ;) |
| 2012-07-18 15:21:33 utc | mister_solo | sounds hardcore ;-) |
| 2012-07-18 15:21:54 utc | hartog | it isnt |
| 2012-07-18 15:22:05 utc | hartog | ruote-kit works quite well btw |
| 2012-07-18 15:22:12 utc | hartog | you could easily use it |
| 2012-07-18 15:22:22 utc | mister_solo | we are using it actually |
| 2012-07-18 15:23:02 utc | hartog | bbl - diner |
| 2012-07-18 15:24:26 utc | mister_solo | ok! |
| 2012-07-18 15:24:32 utc | mister_solo | So here is the thing |
| 2012-07-18 15:24:33 utc | mister_solo | https://gist.github.com/3136804 |
| 2012-07-18 15:25:55 utc | mister_solo | We tried to wrap ruote-kit into a kind of self-contained project |
| 2012-07-18 15:28:46 utc | mister_solo | so my question would be, how are you "distributing" ruote-kit? |
| 2012-07-18 15:33:23 utc | mister_solo | (will read the logs later) |
| 2012-07-18 15:33:28 utc | mister_solo | (gotta run ) |
| 2012-07-18 15:33:31 utc | mister_solo | bye! |
| 2012-07-18 17:51:31 utc | hartog | mister_solo: https://gist.github.com/3137676 |