| 2012-07-12 15:30:01 utc | jmettraux | lbt, phaeron: sorry, I was away for a while and never joined the chat. Please use the mailing list if there is no help here (http://groups.google.com/group/openwferu-users) |
| 2012-07-12 15:32:41 utc | phaeron | jmettraux: it's ok I think lbt pinged you about the leap second issue |
| 2012-07-12 15:32:51 utc | phaeron | I don't remember if I needed anything though |
| 2012-07-12 15:33:31 utc | jmettraux | ok |
| 2012-07-12 15:33:47 utc | lbt | jmettraux: phaeron is correct ... and I hope you enjoyed your time in our neck of the woods |
| 2012-07-12 15:34:34 utc | jmettraux | enjoyed it a lot, I hope your issue vanished |
| 2012-07-12 15:35:09 utc | lbt | yes it did |
| 2012-07-12 15:35:46 utc | jmettraux | great :-) |
| 2012-07-12 19:48:54 utc | krusty_ar | hi all, I'm evaluating some workflow alternatives for a rails project, is ruote still active? |
| 2012-07-12 19:49:54 utc | jmettraux | krusty_ar: hello, welcome to #ruote |
| 2012-07-12 19:50:01 utc | krusty_ar | hi jmettraux |
| 2012-07-12 19:50:20 utc | jmettraux | https://github.com/jmettraux/ruote last commit was 25 minutes ago |
| 2012-07-12 19:50:28 utc | jmettraux | so yes, it's still active |
| 2012-07-12 19:51:02 utc | krusty_ar | great to see that, the label on the site that says last version is from march 2011 got me thinking :D |
| 2012-07-12 19:51:19 utc | jmettraux | working on the next release |
| 2012-07-12 19:51:45 utc | jmettraux | Bundler made me lazy |
| 2012-07-12 19:52:23 utc | krusty_ar | I don't have any problem using from git, just wasn't sure there was someone working on it |
| 2012-07-12 19:53:56 utc | krusty_ar | do you know of any UI for ruote or that produces compatible json? |
| 2012-07-12 19:54:07 utc | krusty_ar | I mean for the bpm |
| 2012-07-12 19:55:45 utc | jmettraux | ruote-kit is some kind of UI |
| 2012-07-12 19:56:02 utc | jmettraux | do you mean you're are looking for a workflow graphical designer ? |
| 2012-07-12 19:56:13 utc | krusty_ar | it would be a great plus |
| 2012-07-12 19:56:28 utc | krusty_ar | but it has to run on a browser |
| 2012-07-12 19:57:09 utc | krusty_ar | I'm not sure I will actually use it, but I will definetively not code a new one |
| 2012-07-12 19:57:46 utc | krusty_ar | but process monitoring is obviously welcome |
| 2012-07-12 19:57:46 utc | jmettraux | https://github.com/jmettraux/ruote-fluo has a "designer" mode |
| 2012-07-12 19:57:59 utc | jmettraux | it's actually used in https://github.com/jmettraux/ruote-kit |
| 2012-07-12 19:58:12 utc | jmettraux | wait, wrong ruote-kit link |
| 2012-07-12 19:58:30 utc | jmettraux | https://github.com/kennethkalmer/ruote-kit |
| 2012-07-12 19:58:40 utc | krusty_ar | yes I was looking at it |
| 2012-07-12 19:58:56 utc | jmettraux | it's not a graphical designer, more like a "render graphically what you type thing" |
| 2012-07-12 19:59:35 utc | krusty_ar | in my opinion that's even better for my project, but it's really early stage and the client suggested a graphical designer |
| 2012-07-12 20:00:04 utc | krusty_ar | I'm not sure they understand that that would remove flexibility |
| 2012-07-12 20:00:55 utc | krusty_ar | because most activities will be calls to a legacy api, so I'm sure there will be plenty complex "state" |
| 2012-07-12 20:01:08 utc | krusty_ar | and conditions based on that state |
| 2012-07-12 20:01:15 utc | jmettraux | if the client suggests a graphical designer is probably better off buying some BPM product |
| 2012-07-12 20:01:51 utc | krusty_ar | sure, but I want it to interact closely with a rails app |
| 2012-07-12 20:02:00 utc | krusty_ar | it's actually a "small" part of the app |
| 2012-07-12 20:02:07 utc | jmettraux | or you could find an open source workflow designer and write an adapter to it for ruote (some BPMN-to-ruote thinggy) |
| 2012-07-12 20:02:21 utc | krusty_ar | yes that could work |
| 2012-07-12 20:02:35 utc | krusty_ar | ruote actually takes a json as input doesnt it? |
| 2012-07-12 20:02:48 utc | jmettraux | whoah, a designer is super hard to implement, your client is not very wise |
| 2012-07-12 20:03:10 utc | krusty_ar | I would say the engine is harder, but yes |
| 2012-07-12 20:03:34 utc | jmettraux | yes, at the lowest level, ruote understands process definitions passed as abstract syntax trees in JSON representations |
| 2012-07-12 20:03:47 utc | jmettraux | UI is hard |
| 2012-07-12 20:04:16 utc | krusty_ar | yes, hard to do maybe, but less complex than a correct bpm engine implementation |
| 2012-07-12 20:05:08 utc | krusty_ar | in the past I've worked with a engine that was supposed to be bpm, and 90% of the time was spent redoing the workflow to work arount engine limitations |
| 2012-07-12 20:05:19 utc | jmettraux | what engine was it? |
| 2012-07-12 20:05:23 utc | krusty_ar | the designer was relatively nice tho :D |
| 2012-07-12 20:05:55 utc | krusty_ar | it's part of a bigger product suite http://www.genexus.com/products/gxflow?en |
| 2012-07-12 20:06:21 utc | jmettraux | cool |
| 2012-07-12 20:06:38 utc | krusty_ar | it's basically a designer and a managment console for the engine, tasks themselves are implemented in the "genexus" tool |
| 2012-07-12 20:06:56 utc | krusty_ar | really expensive and extremely buggy |
| 2012-07-12 20:09:21 utc | krusty_ar | here's how it looks http://wiki.gxtechnical.com/commwiki/servlet/hwiki?Category%3AWorkflow+in+GeneXus+X+Evolution, |
| 2012-07-12 20:10:23 utc | jmettraux | ouch |
| 2012-07-12 20:12:35 utc | jmettraux | with ruote-fluo I'm working on a new SVG branch (https://github.com/jmettraux/ruote-fluo/tree/svg) but it's hard to find time for it |
| 2012-07-12 20:14:04 utc | krusty_ar | nice, anyway the rendering is useful, but I still think the definition is better as text |
| 2012-07-12 20:14:13 utc | jmettraux | :-) |
| 2012-07-12 20:14:26 utc | krusty_ar | one of the biggest problems I had with genexus was tracking changes to processes |
| 2012-07-12 20:14:33 utc | jmettraux | amen |
| 2012-07-12 20:14:50 utc | krusty_ar | the engine knew about versions and worked fine, but you could't easyly compare them |
| 2012-07-12 20:17:50 utc | jmettraux | I have to go to bed, if there are no answers here, feel free to ask questions on https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/openwferu-users |
| 2012-07-12 20:17:59 utc | jmettraux | have a nice day |
| 2012-07-12 20:18:00 utc | krusty_ar | thanks, see you around |