| 2011-09-15 09:51:30 utc | lbt | hey jmettraux :) |
| 2011-09-15 09:53:19 utc | lbt | ACTION leaves a coffee voucher for when John returns... |
| 2011-09-15 10:03:02 utc | jmettraux | lbt: hello, back, thanks for the coffee ! |
| 2011-09-15 10:03:14 utc | lbt | :) |
| 2011-09-15 10:03:45 utc | lbt | so I was just looking at git and the release tags .... |
| 2011-09-15 10:04:51 utc | lbt | I haven't missed 2.2.1 anywhere have I? |
| 2011-09-15 10:05:27 utc | jmettraux | sorry, it's not yet out, I'm busy on the non open source side of the job |
| 2011-09-15 10:05:38 utc | lbt | not a prob |
| 2011-09-15 10:05:44 utc | lbt | I thought I'd mention I made a local 2.2.0nearly1 at 32e890 (15 May) |
| 2011-09-15 10:05:54 utc | jmettraux | great |
| 2011-09-15 10:06:56 utc | lbt | just before some dependency updates |
| 2011-09-15 10:09:57 utc | lbt | anyhow... was just a quick drop-in to see if there were any release plans. Seems not right now - so knowing that is fine. Glad you're busy. o/ |
| 2011-09-15 10:10:28 utc | jmettraux | I want to release before october |
| 2011-09-15 10:10:47 utc | jmettraux | somehow you're not forced to follow immediately |
| 2011-09-15 10:11:30 utc | jmettraux | how are you doing by the way ? I had this crazy hope the amazon tablet would be meego powered, but well... |
| 2011-09-15 10:12:09 utc | lbt | Yeah ... Intel slowed down ... we're waiting to hear if they're doing a "big reveal" ... or really just dropping investment levels |
| 2011-09-15 10:12:34 utc | lbt | On the plus side, MeeGo is being much more community driven now |
| 2011-09-15 10:12:56 utc | lbt | and there's still a lot of involvement from vehicle and other vendors |
| 2011-09-15 10:13:22 utc | lbt | and some other positive rumours too :) |
| 2011-09-15 10:18:01 utc | jmettraux | please keep up the effort |
| 2011-09-15 20:20:34 utc | Dirklectisch | hi jmettraux! |
| 2011-09-15 21:15:09 utc | jmettraux | Dirklectisch: hello, sorry for the late answer |
| 2011-09-15 21:15:41 utc | Dirklectisch | Hi! |
| 2011-09-15 21:15:46 utc | Dirklectisch | How are you? |
| 2011-09-15 21:17:32 utc | jmettraux | I'm fine, how about you ? |
| 2011-09-15 21:18:01 utc | Dirklectisch | Couldn't be better :-). Did you ever get to see that Rich Hickey talk? |
| 2011-09-15 21:18:16 utc | Dirklectisch | I noticed that the did a new front end for that site, so it might work now. |
| 2011-09-15 21:18:40 utc | Dirklectisch | http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Are-We-There-Yet-Rich-Hickey |
| 2011-09-15 21:20:08 utc | jmettraux | let me try again right now |
| 2011-09-15 21:26:08 utc | jmettraux | I'm reading "the clean coder" these days, enjoying it a lot |
| 2011-09-15 21:26:38 utc | Dirklectisch | i heard about that, it's the new uncle bob right? |
| 2011-09-15 21:27:03 utc | jmettraux | yes |
| 2011-09-15 21:27:12 utc | Dirklectisch | i think the title is somewhat confusing since his last one was called 'clean code'. |
| 2011-09-15 21:27:47 utc | jmettraux | right, it'd better be called "further things I learnt while being a programmer" |
| 2011-09-15 21:28:06 utc | jmettraux | though I haven't reached the conclusion now |
| 2011-09-15 21:28:51 utc | Dirklectisch | sound interesting, so is it like 'clean code' or does it have a different theme? |
| 2011-09-15 21:32:02 utc | Dirklectisch | i was under the impression that the new one is less about technical practices. |
| 2011-09-15 21:42:44 utc | Dirklectisch | did it work this time (the vid)? |
| 2011-09-15 21:56:42 utc | jmettraux | it seems to work |
| 2011-09-15 21:58:52 utc | Dirklectisch | great, put it on your 'to watch' list then ;-) |
| 2011-09-15 22:01:24 utc | jmettraux | the video works, excellent |
| 2011-09-15 22:01:32 utc | jmettraux | what are you reading these days ? |
| 2011-09-15 22:02:22 utc | Dirklectisch | I'm five languages into Bruce Tate's "Seven Languages in Seven Weeks" |
| 2011-09-15 22:02:43 utc | Dirklectisch | I just started reading "The C Programming Language" |
| 2011-09-15 22:03:12 utc | Dirklectisch | Recently finished Nancy Duarte's "Resonate" |
| 2011-09-15 22:03:42 utc | jmettraux | nice, I have to do the 7li7w too |
| 2011-09-15 22:04:08 utc | Dirklectisch | It's fun |
| 2011-09-15 22:04:17 utc | Dirklectisch | but frustrating at the same time |
| 2011-09-15 22:04:49 utc | Dirklectisch | most of the time just when you feel you can actually write a piece of code, you get to the next language. |
| 2011-09-15 22:05:02 utc | jmettraux | aah |
| 2011-09-15 22:05:37 utc | Dirklectisch | but it's a nice introduction into programming in de non OOP paradigms. |
| 2011-09-15 22:06:11 utc | Dirklectisch | i sure have learned allot from it already and still have Clojure and Haskell to go. |
| 2011-09-15 22:06:39 utc | Dirklectisch | The biggest surprise was coding a sudoku in Prolog |
| 2011-09-15 22:08:01 utc | jmettraux | one for your evening: http://postmastergeneral.tumblr.com/post/10239088111 |
| 2011-09-15 22:08:38 utc | jmettraux | I tasted prolog long ago, I should pick that chapter... I have the book, in electronic form, but haven't really delved into it |
| 2011-09-15 22:09:23 utc | Dirklectisch | Yeah, you can skip Ruby and possibly IO to. |
| 2011-09-15 22:10:33 utc | Dirklectisch | I wasn't really impressed with IO, it's just a prototype based imperative language. |
| 2011-09-15 22:11:59 utc | Dirklectisch | hah, that picture looks like the poster above my desk: http://store.informationarchitects.jp/product/web-trend-map-4 |
| 2011-09-15 23:30:21 utc | jmettraux | nice poster ! |
| 2011-09-15 23:31:13 utc | Dirklectisch | yeah they are really nice, i like them allot. |
| 2011-09-15 23:32:00 utc | Dirklectisch | so are you working on anything software wise? a new version of route perhaps? |
| 2011-09-15 23:32:32 utc | jmettraux | yes, 2.2.1 soon, but I'm busy on the non open source side of the job |
| 2011-09-15 23:32:55 utc | Dirklectisch | ah yes your new job, I think you never got around to telling me about it. |
| 2011-09-15 23:33:13 utc | Dirklectisch | What kind of company is it, what kind of product are you working on? |
| 2011-09-15 23:33:51 utc | jmettraux | we provide server templates and a dashboard to manage server and server arrays in multiple clouds |
| 2011-09-15 23:34:04 utc | jmettraux | I'm working on further automation capabilities |
| 2011-09-15 23:35:29 utc | Dirklectisch | what kind of information is aggregated on those dashboards? stats about the hardware? |
| 2011-09-15 23:36:22 utc | jmettraux | stats about the virtual servers |
| 2011-09-15 23:37:06 utc | jmettraux | http://support.rightscale.com/15-References/Dashboard_UI/Topological_Map |
| 2011-09-15 23:38:07 utc | Dirklectisch | ah cool, is it challenging? |
| 2011-09-15 23:38:28 utc | jmettraux | yes |
| 2011-09-15 23:39:00 utc | Dirklectisch | great thats the most important thing right? :-) |
| 2011-09-15 23:39:07 utc | jmettraux | +1 |
| 2011-09-15 23:39:14 utc | Dirklectisch | I can't stand doing things that I allready mastered. |
| 2011-09-15 23:39:17 utc | jmettraux | and you ? |
| 2011-09-15 23:40:10 utc | Dirklectisch | not doing anything for profit at the moment, slowely starting the freelancing thing. |
| 2011-09-15 23:40:31 utc | Dirklectisch | But I'm learning C for a reason, currently playing around with parser technology. |
| 2011-09-15 23:41:03 utc | jmettraux | what is your goal ? |
| 2011-09-15 23:41:45 utc | Dirklectisch | I see lot's of possibilities for it on desktop applications |
| 2011-09-15 23:41:56 utc | Dirklectisch | for example a syntax aware text editor |
| 2011-09-15 23:42:18 utc | Dirklectisch | (if have been thinking of contributing to kodapp.com) |
| 2011-09-15 23:43:20 utc | jmettraux | :-) |
| 2011-09-15 23:43:21 utc | Dirklectisch | but there are lot's of other things one could do if parsers were just a bit smarter. |
| 2011-09-15 23:44:06 utc | Dirklectisch | how cool would it be if you note taking app could parse certain constructs en create different views from your notes |
| 2011-09-15 23:44:13 utc | jmettraux | last piece I saw about them http://tratt.net/laurie/tech_articles/articles/parsing_the_solved_problem_that_isnt |
| 2011-09-15 23:44:20 utc | Dirklectisch | yes i read that |
| 2011-09-15 23:44:42 utc | jmettraux | note taking, that's sexy |
| 2011-09-15 23:44:51 utc | Dirklectisch | :-p |
| 2011-09-15 23:45:14 utc | jmettraux | braindump ftw |
| 2011-09-15 23:45:27 utc | jmettraux | always back to paper |
| 2011-09-15 23:45:46 utc | Dirklectisch | i love notational velocity for my notes |
| 2011-09-15 23:45:48 utc | Dirklectisch | :-) |
| 2011-09-15 23:46:36 utc | Dirklectisch | while I agree with the fact that parsing isn't a solved problem, I don't agree with the solution allot of people are taking right now. |
| 2011-09-15 23:46:49 utc | Dirklectisch | there is allot of attention for pack rat parsing and PEG grammers |
| 2011-09-15 23:47:22 utc | Dirklectisch | but it takes a huge amount of memory |
| 2011-09-15 23:47:39 utc | Dirklectisch | there's a guy at google working on a praser called Gazelle |
| 2011-09-15 23:47:56 utc | Dirklectisch | his progress is slow but it is in a pretty workable state allready |
| 2011-09-15 23:47:58 utc | Dirklectisch | http://www.reverberate.org/gazelle/ |
| 2011-09-15 23:49:57 utc | jmettraux | thanks |
| 2011-09-15 23:50:28 utc | Dirklectisch | check out his criticism on PEG's here: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3039 |
| 2011-09-15 23:50:58 utc | Dirklectisch | anyway we will see where it ends up |
| 2011-09-15 23:51:27 utc | Dirklectisch | another thing that has my attention is peer to peer applications |
| 2011-09-15 23:52:15 utc | Dirklectisch | if i look back at the history of the web all things that have been successful over a long time have a peer to peer architecture |
| 2011-09-15 23:52:27 utc | Dirklectisch | email, bit torrent etc |
| 2011-09-15 23:53:43 utc | Dirklectisch | i think most things online would be served better by decentralized architecture than a middle man. |
| 2011-09-15 23:53:50 utc | Dirklectisch | i would like to explore that more |
| 2011-09-15 23:53:59 utc | jmettraux | mesh ? |
| 2011-09-15 23:55:03 utc | Dirklectisch | mesh ? |
| 2011-09-15 23:55:51 utc | Dirklectisch | you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking ? |
| 2011-09-15 23:57:20 utc | jmettraux | in a more loose sense maybe |
| 2011-09-15 23:57:40 utc | jmettraux | as an emerging property maybe |
| 2011-09-15 23:57:50 utc | Dirklectisch | yeah |
| 2011-09-15 23:58:05 utc | Dirklectisch | I just don't see why everything has to be centralized |
| 2011-09-15 23:58:16 utc | Dirklectisch | there's not technical reason for it anymore |
| 2011-09-15 23:58:37 utc | jmettraux | economical reasons ? |
| 2011-09-15 23:59:02 utc | Dirklectisch | yes its hard to build business cases around decentralized apps |
| 2011-09-16 00:00:28 utc | Dirklectisch | everyone wishes twitter was a protocol, and bitches when they change there policy, yet there are no succesful peer to peer social networks. |
| 2011-09-16 00:00:56 utc | Dirklectisch | although its technically very possible right? |
| 2011-09-16 00:02:35 utc | jmettraux | a decentralized twitter |
| 2011-09-16 00:03:08 utc | Dirklectisch | well that's the least interesting application I can think of |
| 2011-09-16 00:03:15 utc | Dirklectisch | but still |
| 2011-09-16 00:03:57 utc | Dirklectisch | i keep asking myself why we would want a company in the middle every time |
| 2011-09-16 00:06:27 utc | jmettraux | why do we need a postal service when we can deliver the mail by ourselves |
| 2011-09-16 00:06:48 utc | jmettraux | well distance and time is almost abolished in the case of networks |
| 2011-09-16 00:07:38 utc | Dirklectisch | yes we need a postal service because it's physical |
| 2011-09-16 00:07:44 utc | Dirklectisch | we don't have that in de digital world |
| 2011-09-16 00:09:25 utc | Dirklectisch | you wrote a CouchDB connector for Ruote right? I played around with CouchDb and it seems fairly easy to me to (for instance) build that decentralized twitter with it. |
| 2011-09-16 00:10:38 utc | Dirklectisch | actually people have done that, the question is how do you get people to switch to such a thing. They won't switch for just a idealogical reason. |
| 2011-09-16 00:10:51 utc | Dirklectisch | anyway just some thoughts |
| 2011-09-16 00:10:56 utc | Dirklectisch | maybe it's just me :p |
| 2011-09-16 00:12:34 utc | jmettraux | I like your way of thinking |
| 2011-09-16 00:13:15 utc | Dirklectisch | :-) |