2011-09-15 09:51:30 utc |
lbt |
hey jmettraux :) |
2011-09-15 09:53:19 utc |
lbt |
ACTION leaves a coffee voucher for when John returns... |
2011-09-15 10:03:02 utc |
jmettraux |
lbt: hello, back, thanks for the coffee ! |
2011-09-15 10:03:14 utc |
lbt |
:) |
2011-09-15 10:03:45 utc |
lbt |
so I was just looking at git and the release tags .... |
2011-09-15 10:04:51 utc |
lbt |
I haven't missed 2.2.1 anywhere have I? |
2011-09-15 10:05:27 utc |
jmettraux |
sorry, it's not yet out, I'm busy on the non open source side of the job |
2011-09-15 10:05:38 utc |
lbt |
not a prob |
2011-09-15 10:05:44 utc |
lbt |
I thought I'd mention I made a local 2.2.0nearly1 at 32e890 (15 May) |
2011-09-15 10:05:54 utc |
jmettraux |
great |
2011-09-15 10:06:56 utc |
lbt |
just before some dependency updates |
2011-09-15 10:09:57 utc |
lbt |
anyhow... was just a quick drop-in to see if there were any release plans. Seems not right now - so knowing that is fine. Glad you're busy. o/ |
2011-09-15 10:10:28 utc |
jmettraux |
I want to release before october |
2011-09-15 10:10:47 utc |
jmettraux |
somehow you're not forced to follow immediately |
2011-09-15 10:11:30 utc |
jmettraux |
how are you doing by the way ? I had this crazy hope the amazon tablet would be meego powered, but well... |
2011-09-15 10:12:09 utc |
lbt |
Yeah ... Intel slowed down ... we're waiting to hear if they're doing a "big reveal" ... or really just dropping investment levels |
2011-09-15 10:12:34 utc |
lbt |
On the plus side, MeeGo is being much more community driven now |
2011-09-15 10:12:56 utc |
lbt |
and there's still a lot of involvement from vehicle and other vendors |
2011-09-15 10:13:22 utc |
lbt |
and some other positive rumours too :) |
2011-09-15 10:18:01 utc |
jmettraux |
please keep up the effort |
2011-09-15 20:20:34 utc |
Dirklectisch |
hi jmettraux! |
2011-09-15 21:15:09 utc |
jmettraux |
Dirklectisch: hello, sorry for the late answer |
2011-09-15 21:15:41 utc |
Dirklectisch |
Hi! |
2011-09-15 21:15:46 utc |
Dirklectisch |
How are you? |
2011-09-15 21:17:32 utc |
jmettraux |
I'm fine, how about you ? |
2011-09-15 21:18:01 utc |
Dirklectisch |
Couldn't be better :-). Did you ever get to see that Rich Hickey talk? |
2011-09-15 21:18:16 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I noticed that the did a new front end for that site, so it might work now. |
2011-09-15 21:18:40 utc |
Dirklectisch |
http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Are-We-There-Yet-Rich-Hickey |
2011-09-15 21:20:08 utc |
jmettraux |
let me try again right now |
2011-09-15 21:26:08 utc |
jmettraux |
I'm reading "the clean coder" these days, enjoying it a lot |
2011-09-15 21:26:38 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i heard about that, it's the new uncle bob right? |
2011-09-15 21:27:03 utc |
jmettraux |
yes |
2011-09-15 21:27:12 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i think the title is somewhat confusing since his last one was called 'clean code'. |
2011-09-15 21:27:47 utc |
jmettraux |
right, it'd better be called "further things I learnt while being a programmer" |
2011-09-15 21:28:06 utc |
jmettraux |
though I haven't reached the conclusion now |
2011-09-15 21:28:51 utc |
Dirklectisch |
sound interesting, so is it like 'clean code' or does it have a different theme? |
2011-09-15 21:32:02 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i was under the impression that the new one is less about technical practices. |
2011-09-15 21:42:44 utc |
Dirklectisch |
did it work this time (the vid)? |
2011-09-15 21:56:42 utc |
jmettraux |
it seems to work |
2011-09-15 21:58:52 utc |
Dirklectisch |
great, put it on your 'to watch' list then ;-) |
2011-09-15 22:01:24 utc |
jmettraux |
the video works, excellent |
2011-09-15 22:01:32 utc |
jmettraux |
what are you reading these days ? |
2011-09-15 22:02:22 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I'm five languages into Bruce Tate's "Seven Languages in Seven Weeks" |
2011-09-15 22:02:43 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I just started reading "The C Programming Language" |
2011-09-15 22:03:12 utc |
Dirklectisch |
Recently finished Nancy Duarte's "Resonate" |
2011-09-15 22:03:42 utc |
jmettraux |
nice, I have to do the 7li7w too |
2011-09-15 22:04:08 utc |
Dirklectisch |
It's fun |
2011-09-15 22:04:17 utc |
Dirklectisch |
but frustrating at the same time |
2011-09-15 22:04:49 utc |
Dirklectisch |
most of the time just when you feel you can actually write a piece of code, you get to the next language. |
2011-09-15 22:05:02 utc |
jmettraux |
aah |
2011-09-15 22:05:37 utc |
Dirklectisch |
but it's a nice introduction into programming in de non OOP paradigms. |
2011-09-15 22:06:11 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i sure have learned allot from it already and still have Clojure and Haskell to go. |
2011-09-15 22:06:39 utc |
Dirklectisch |
The biggest surprise was coding a sudoku in Prolog |
2011-09-15 22:08:01 utc |
jmettraux |
one for your evening: http://postmastergeneral.tumblr.com/post/10239088111 |
2011-09-15 22:08:38 utc |
jmettraux |
I tasted prolog long ago, I should pick that chapter... I have the book, in electronic form, but haven't really delved into it |
2011-09-15 22:09:23 utc |
Dirklectisch |
Yeah, you can skip Ruby and possibly IO to. |
2011-09-15 22:10:33 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I wasn't really impressed with IO, it's just a prototype based imperative language. |
2011-09-15 22:11:59 utc |
Dirklectisch |
hah, that picture looks like the poster above my desk: http://store.informationarchitects.jp/product/web-trend-map-4 |
2011-09-15 23:30:21 utc |
jmettraux |
nice poster ! |
2011-09-15 23:31:13 utc |
Dirklectisch |
yeah they are really nice, i like them allot. |
2011-09-15 23:32:00 utc |
Dirklectisch |
so are you working on anything software wise? a new version of route perhaps? |
2011-09-15 23:32:32 utc |
jmettraux |
yes, 2.2.1 soon, but I'm busy on the non open source side of the job |
2011-09-15 23:32:55 utc |
Dirklectisch |
ah yes your new job, I think you never got around to telling me about it. |
2011-09-15 23:33:13 utc |
Dirklectisch |
What kind of company is it, what kind of product are you working on? |
2011-09-15 23:33:51 utc |
jmettraux |
we provide server templates and a dashboard to manage server and server arrays in multiple clouds |
2011-09-15 23:34:04 utc |
jmettraux |
I'm working on further automation capabilities |
2011-09-15 23:35:29 utc |
Dirklectisch |
what kind of information is aggregated on those dashboards? stats about the hardware? |
2011-09-15 23:36:22 utc |
jmettraux |
stats about the virtual servers |
2011-09-15 23:37:06 utc |
jmettraux |
http://support.rightscale.com/15-References/Dashboard_UI/Topological_Map |
2011-09-15 23:38:07 utc |
Dirklectisch |
ah cool, is it challenging? |
2011-09-15 23:38:28 utc |
jmettraux |
yes |
2011-09-15 23:39:00 utc |
Dirklectisch |
great thats the most important thing right? :-) |
2011-09-15 23:39:07 utc |
jmettraux |
+1 |
2011-09-15 23:39:14 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I can't stand doing things that I allready mastered. |
2011-09-15 23:39:17 utc |
jmettraux |
and you ? |
2011-09-15 23:40:10 utc |
Dirklectisch |
not doing anything for profit at the moment, slowely starting the freelancing thing. |
2011-09-15 23:40:31 utc |
Dirklectisch |
But I'm learning C for a reason, currently playing around with parser technology. |
2011-09-15 23:41:03 utc |
jmettraux |
what is your goal ? |
2011-09-15 23:41:45 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I see lot's of possibilities for it on desktop applications |
2011-09-15 23:41:56 utc |
Dirklectisch |
for example a syntax aware text editor |
2011-09-15 23:42:18 utc |
Dirklectisch |
(if have been thinking of contributing to kodapp.com) |
2011-09-15 23:43:20 utc |
jmettraux |
:-) |
2011-09-15 23:43:21 utc |
Dirklectisch |
but there are lot's of other things one could do if parsers were just a bit smarter. |
2011-09-15 23:44:06 utc |
Dirklectisch |
how cool would it be if you note taking app could parse certain constructs en create different views from your notes |
2011-09-15 23:44:13 utc |
jmettraux |
last piece I saw about them http://tratt.net/laurie/tech_articles/articles/parsing_the_solved_problem_that_isnt |
2011-09-15 23:44:20 utc |
Dirklectisch |
yes i read that |
2011-09-15 23:44:42 utc |
jmettraux |
note taking, that's sexy |
2011-09-15 23:44:51 utc |
Dirklectisch |
:-p |
2011-09-15 23:45:14 utc |
jmettraux |
braindump ftw |
2011-09-15 23:45:27 utc |
jmettraux |
always back to paper |
2011-09-15 23:45:46 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i love notational velocity for my notes |
2011-09-15 23:45:48 utc |
Dirklectisch |
:-) |
2011-09-15 23:46:36 utc |
Dirklectisch |
while I agree with the fact that parsing isn't a solved problem, I don't agree with the solution allot of people are taking right now. |
2011-09-15 23:46:49 utc |
Dirklectisch |
there is allot of attention for pack rat parsing and PEG grammers |
2011-09-15 23:47:22 utc |
Dirklectisch |
but it takes a huge amount of memory |
2011-09-15 23:47:39 utc |
Dirklectisch |
there's a guy at google working on a praser called Gazelle |
2011-09-15 23:47:56 utc |
Dirklectisch |
his progress is slow but it is in a pretty workable state allready |
2011-09-15 23:47:58 utc |
Dirklectisch |
http://www.reverberate.org/gazelle/ |
2011-09-15 23:49:57 utc |
jmettraux |
thanks |
2011-09-15 23:50:28 utc |
Dirklectisch |
check out his criticism on PEG's here: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3039 |
2011-09-15 23:50:58 utc |
Dirklectisch |
anyway we will see where it ends up |
2011-09-15 23:51:27 utc |
Dirklectisch |
another thing that has my attention is peer to peer applications |
2011-09-15 23:52:15 utc |
Dirklectisch |
if i look back at the history of the web all things that have been successful over a long time have a peer to peer architecture |
2011-09-15 23:52:27 utc |
Dirklectisch |
email, bit torrent etc |
2011-09-15 23:53:43 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i think most things online would be served better by decentralized architecture than a middle man. |
2011-09-15 23:53:50 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i would like to explore that more |
2011-09-15 23:53:59 utc |
jmettraux |
mesh ? |
2011-09-15 23:55:03 utc |
Dirklectisch |
mesh ? |
2011-09-15 23:55:51 utc |
Dirklectisch |
you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking ? |
2011-09-15 23:57:20 utc |
jmettraux |
in a more loose sense maybe |
2011-09-15 23:57:40 utc |
jmettraux |
as an emerging property maybe |
2011-09-15 23:57:50 utc |
Dirklectisch |
yeah |
2011-09-15 23:58:05 utc |
Dirklectisch |
I just don't see why everything has to be centralized |
2011-09-15 23:58:16 utc |
Dirklectisch |
there's not technical reason for it anymore |
2011-09-15 23:58:37 utc |
jmettraux |
economical reasons ? |
2011-09-15 23:59:02 utc |
Dirklectisch |
yes its hard to build business cases around decentralized apps |
2011-09-16 00:00:28 utc |
Dirklectisch |
everyone wishes twitter was a protocol, and bitches when they change there policy, yet there are no succesful peer to peer social networks. |
2011-09-16 00:00:56 utc |
Dirklectisch |
although its technically very possible right? |
2011-09-16 00:02:35 utc |
jmettraux |
a decentralized twitter |
2011-09-16 00:03:08 utc |
Dirklectisch |
well that's the least interesting application I can think of |
2011-09-16 00:03:15 utc |
Dirklectisch |
but still |
2011-09-16 00:03:57 utc |
Dirklectisch |
i keep asking myself why we would want a company in the middle every time |
2011-09-16 00:06:27 utc |
jmettraux |
why do we need a postal service when we can deliver the mail by ourselves |
2011-09-16 00:06:48 utc |
jmettraux |
well distance and time is almost abolished in the case of networks |
2011-09-16 00:07:38 utc |
Dirklectisch |
yes we need a postal service because it's physical |
2011-09-16 00:07:44 utc |
Dirklectisch |
we don't have that in de digital world |
2011-09-16 00:09:25 utc |
Dirklectisch |
you wrote a CouchDB connector for Ruote right? I played around with CouchDb and it seems fairly easy to me to (for instance) build that decentralized twitter with it. |
2011-09-16 00:10:38 utc |
Dirklectisch |
actually people have done that, the question is how do you get people to switch to such a thing. They won't switch for just a idealogical reason. |
2011-09-16 00:10:51 utc |
Dirklectisch |
anyway just some thoughts |
2011-09-16 00:10:56 utc |
Dirklectisch |
maybe it's just me :p |
2011-09-16 00:12:34 utc |
jmettraux |
I like your way of thinking |
2011-09-16 00:13:15 utc |
Dirklectisch |
:-) |