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2011-09-15 09:51:30 utc lbt hey jmettraux :)
2011-09-15 09:53:19 utc lbt ACTION leaves a coffee voucher for when John returns...
2011-09-15 10:03:02 utc jmettraux lbt: hello, back, thanks for the coffee !
2011-09-15 10:03:14 utc lbt :)
2011-09-15 10:03:45 utc lbt so I was just looking at git and the release tags ....
2011-09-15 10:04:51 utc lbt I haven't missed 2.2.1 anywhere have I?
2011-09-15 10:05:27 utc jmettraux sorry, it's not yet out, I'm busy on the non open source side of the job
2011-09-15 10:05:38 utc lbt not a prob
2011-09-15 10:05:44 utc lbt I thought I'd mention I made a local 2.2.0nearly1 at 32e890 (15 May)
2011-09-15 10:05:54 utc jmettraux great
2011-09-15 10:06:56 utc lbt just before some dependency updates
2011-09-15 10:09:57 utc lbt anyhow... was just a quick drop-in to see if there were any release plans. Seems not right now - so knowing that is fine. Glad you're busy. o/
2011-09-15 10:10:28 utc jmettraux I want to release before october
2011-09-15 10:10:47 utc jmettraux somehow you're not forced to follow immediately
2011-09-15 10:11:30 utc jmettraux how are you doing by the way ? I had this crazy hope the amazon tablet would be meego powered, but well...
2011-09-15 10:12:09 utc lbt Yeah ... Intel slowed down ... we're waiting to hear if they're doing a "big reveal" ... or really just dropping investment levels
2011-09-15 10:12:34 utc lbt On the plus side, MeeGo is being much more community driven now
2011-09-15 10:12:56 utc lbt and there's still a lot of involvement from vehicle and other vendors
2011-09-15 10:13:22 utc lbt and some other positive rumours too :)
2011-09-15 10:18:01 utc jmettraux please keep up the effort
2011-09-15 20:20:34 utc Dirklectisch hi jmettraux!
2011-09-15 21:15:09 utc jmettraux Dirklectisch: hello, sorry for the late answer
2011-09-15 21:15:41 utc Dirklectisch Hi!
2011-09-15 21:15:46 utc Dirklectisch How are you?
2011-09-15 21:17:32 utc jmettraux I'm fine, how about you ?
2011-09-15 21:18:01 utc Dirklectisch Couldn't be better :-). Did you ever get to see that Rich Hickey talk?
2011-09-15 21:18:16 utc Dirklectisch I noticed that the did a new front end for that site, so it might work now.
2011-09-15 21:18:40 utc Dirklectisch http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Are-We-There-Yet-Rich-Hickey
2011-09-15 21:20:08 utc jmettraux let me try again right now
2011-09-15 21:26:08 utc jmettraux I'm reading "the clean coder" these days, enjoying it a lot
2011-09-15 21:26:38 utc Dirklectisch i heard about that, it's the new uncle bob right?
2011-09-15 21:27:03 utc jmettraux yes
2011-09-15 21:27:12 utc Dirklectisch i think the title is somewhat confusing since his last one was called 'clean code'.
2011-09-15 21:27:47 utc jmettraux right, it'd better be called "further things I learnt while being a programmer"
2011-09-15 21:28:06 utc jmettraux though I haven't reached the conclusion now
2011-09-15 21:28:51 utc Dirklectisch sound interesting, so is it like 'clean code' or does it have a different theme?
2011-09-15 21:32:02 utc Dirklectisch i was under the impression that the new one is less about technical practices.
2011-09-15 21:42:44 utc Dirklectisch did it work this time (the vid)?
2011-09-15 21:56:42 utc jmettraux it seems to work
2011-09-15 21:58:52 utc Dirklectisch great, put it on your 'to watch' list then ;-)
2011-09-15 22:01:24 utc jmettraux the video works, excellent
2011-09-15 22:01:32 utc jmettraux what are you reading these days ?
2011-09-15 22:02:22 utc Dirklectisch I'm five languages into Bruce Tate's "Seven Languages in Seven Weeks"
2011-09-15 22:02:43 utc Dirklectisch I just started reading "The C Programming Language"
2011-09-15 22:03:12 utc Dirklectisch Recently finished Nancy Duarte's "Resonate"
2011-09-15 22:03:42 utc jmettraux nice, I have to do the 7li7w too
2011-09-15 22:04:08 utc Dirklectisch It's fun
2011-09-15 22:04:17 utc Dirklectisch but frustrating at the same time
2011-09-15 22:04:49 utc Dirklectisch most of the time just when you feel you can actually write a piece of code, you get to the next language.
2011-09-15 22:05:02 utc jmettraux aah
2011-09-15 22:05:37 utc Dirklectisch but it's a nice introduction into programming in de non OOP paradigms.
2011-09-15 22:06:11 utc Dirklectisch i sure have learned allot from it already and still have Clojure and Haskell to go.
2011-09-15 22:06:39 utc Dirklectisch The biggest surprise was coding a sudoku in Prolog
2011-09-15 22:08:01 utc jmettraux one for your evening: http://postmastergeneral.tumblr.com/post/10239088111
2011-09-15 22:08:38 utc jmettraux I tasted prolog long ago, I should pick that chapter... I have the book, in electronic form, but haven't really delved into it
2011-09-15 22:09:23 utc Dirklectisch Yeah, you can skip Ruby and possibly IO to.
2011-09-15 22:10:33 utc Dirklectisch I wasn't really impressed with IO, it's just a prototype based imperative language.
2011-09-15 22:11:59 utc Dirklectisch hah, that picture looks like the poster above my desk: http://store.informationarchitects.jp/product/web-trend-map-4
2011-09-15 23:30:21 utc jmettraux nice poster !
2011-09-15 23:31:13 utc Dirklectisch yeah they are really nice, i like them allot.
2011-09-15 23:32:00 utc Dirklectisch so are you working on anything software wise? a new version of route perhaps?
2011-09-15 23:32:32 utc jmettraux yes, 2.2.1 soon, but I'm busy on the non open source side of the job
2011-09-15 23:32:55 utc Dirklectisch ah yes your new job, I think you never got around to telling me about it.
2011-09-15 23:33:13 utc Dirklectisch What kind of company is it, what kind of product are you working on?
2011-09-15 23:33:51 utc jmettraux we provide server templates and a dashboard to manage server and server arrays in multiple clouds
2011-09-15 23:34:04 utc jmettraux I'm working on further automation capabilities
2011-09-15 23:35:29 utc Dirklectisch what kind of information is aggregated on those dashboards? stats about the hardware?
2011-09-15 23:36:22 utc jmettraux stats about the virtual servers
2011-09-15 23:37:06 utc jmettraux http://support.rightscale.com/15-References/Dashboard_UI/Topological_Map
2011-09-15 23:38:07 utc Dirklectisch ah cool, is it challenging?
2011-09-15 23:38:28 utc jmettraux yes
2011-09-15 23:39:00 utc Dirklectisch great thats the most important thing right? :-)
2011-09-15 23:39:07 utc jmettraux +1
2011-09-15 23:39:14 utc Dirklectisch I can't stand doing things that I allready mastered.
2011-09-15 23:39:17 utc jmettraux and you ?
2011-09-15 23:40:10 utc Dirklectisch not doing anything for profit at the moment, slowely starting the freelancing thing.
2011-09-15 23:40:31 utc Dirklectisch But I'm learning C for a reason, currently playing around with parser technology.
2011-09-15 23:41:03 utc jmettraux what is your goal ?
2011-09-15 23:41:45 utc Dirklectisch I see lot's of possibilities for it on desktop applications
2011-09-15 23:41:56 utc Dirklectisch for example a syntax aware text editor
2011-09-15 23:42:18 utc Dirklectisch (if have been thinking of contributing to kodapp.com)
2011-09-15 23:43:20 utc jmettraux :-)
2011-09-15 23:43:21 utc Dirklectisch but there are lot's of other things one could do if parsers were just a bit smarter.
2011-09-15 23:44:06 utc Dirklectisch how cool would it be if you note taking app could parse certain constructs en create different views from your notes
2011-09-15 23:44:13 utc jmettraux last piece I saw about them http://tratt.net/laurie/tech_articles/articles/parsing_the_solved_problem_that_isnt
2011-09-15 23:44:20 utc Dirklectisch yes i read that
2011-09-15 23:44:42 utc jmettraux note taking, that's sexy
2011-09-15 23:44:51 utc Dirklectisch :-p
2011-09-15 23:45:14 utc jmettraux braindump ftw
2011-09-15 23:45:27 utc jmettraux always back to paper
2011-09-15 23:45:46 utc Dirklectisch i love notational velocity for my notes
2011-09-15 23:45:48 utc Dirklectisch :-)
2011-09-15 23:46:36 utc Dirklectisch while I agree with the fact that parsing isn't a solved problem, I don't agree with the solution allot of people are taking right now.
2011-09-15 23:46:49 utc Dirklectisch there is allot of attention for pack rat parsing and PEG grammers
2011-09-15 23:47:22 utc Dirklectisch but it takes a huge amount of memory
2011-09-15 23:47:39 utc Dirklectisch there's a guy at google working on a praser called Gazelle
2011-09-15 23:47:56 utc Dirklectisch his progress is slow but it is in a pretty workable state allready
2011-09-15 23:47:58 utc Dirklectisch http://www.reverberate.org/gazelle/
2011-09-15 23:49:57 utc jmettraux thanks
2011-09-15 23:50:28 utc Dirklectisch check out his criticism on PEG's here: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3039
2011-09-15 23:50:58 utc Dirklectisch anyway we will see where it ends up
2011-09-15 23:51:27 utc Dirklectisch another thing that has my attention is peer to peer applications
2011-09-15 23:52:15 utc Dirklectisch if i look back at the history of the web all things that have been successful over a long time have a peer to peer architecture
2011-09-15 23:52:27 utc Dirklectisch email, bit torrent etc
2011-09-15 23:53:43 utc Dirklectisch i think most things online would be served better by decentralized architecture than a middle man.
2011-09-15 23:53:50 utc Dirklectisch i would like to explore that more
2011-09-15 23:53:59 utc jmettraux mesh ?
2011-09-15 23:55:03 utc Dirklectisch mesh ?
2011-09-15 23:55:51 utc Dirklectisch you mean this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking ?
2011-09-15 23:57:20 utc jmettraux in a more loose sense maybe
2011-09-15 23:57:40 utc jmettraux as an emerging property maybe
2011-09-15 23:57:50 utc Dirklectisch yeah
2011-09-15 23:58:05 utc Dirklectisch I just don't see why everything has to be centralized
2011-09-15 23:58:16 utc Dirklectisch there's not technical reason for it anymore
2011-09-15 23:58:37 utc jmettraux economical reasons ?
2011-09-15 23:59:02 utc Dirklectisch yes its hard to build business cases around decentralized apps
2011-09-16 00:00:28 utc Dirklectisch everyone wishes twitter was a protocol, and bitches when they change there policy, yet there are no succesful peer to peer social networks.
2011-09-16 00:00:56 utc Dirklectisch although its technically very possible right?
2011-09-16 00:02:35 utc jmettraux a decentralized twitter
2011-09-16 00:03:08 utc Dirklectisch well that's the least interesting application I can think of
2011-09-16 00:03:15 utc Dirklectisch but still
2011-09-16 00:03:57 utc Dirklectisch i keep asking myself why we would want a company in the middle every time
2011-09-16 00:06:27 utc jmettraux why do we need a postal service when we can deliver the mail by ourselves
2011-09-16 00:06:48 utc jmettraux well distance and time is almost abolished in the case of networks
2011-09-16 00:07:38 utc Dirklectisch yes we need a postal service because it's physical
2011-09-16 00:07:44 utc Dirklectisch we don't have that in de digital world
2011-09-16 00:09:25 utc Dirklectisch you wrote a CouchDB connector for Ruote right? I played around with CouchDb and it seems fairly easy to me to (for instance) build that decentralized twitter with it.
2011-09-16 00:10:38 utc Dirklectisch actually people have done that, the question is how do you get people to switch to such a thing. They won't switch for just a idealogical reason.
2011-09-16 00:10:51 utc Dirklectisch anyway just some thoughts
2011-09-16 00:10:56 utc Dirklectisch maybe it's just me :p
2011-09-16 00:12:34 utc jmettraux I like your way of thinking
2011-09-16 00:13:15 utc Dirklectisch :-)