| 2011-03-04 00:35:26 utc | dirklectisch_ | discovering all kinds of stuff about ruby I didn't know about :-) |
| 2011-03-04 00:36:05 utc | dirklectisch_ | anyway maybe I should send Jacque (?) this article: http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/10/shaking-someones-beliefs-turns-stronger-advocates/ |
| 2011-03-04 00:36:32 utc | jmettraux | aaah |
| 2011-03-04 00:37:21 utc | dirklectisch_ | It's correlates very strongly with my own experience, the harder you try to convince someone, the less likely they are to adopt your ideas. |
| 2011-03-04 00:37:49 utc | jmettraux | thanks for the summary, have it open, will read it carefully |
| 2011-03-04 00:38:57 utc | jmettraux | http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Enough-Systems-Competitive-Automating/dp/0132347962/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1299198990&sr=8-1 (also very nice) |
| 2011-03-04 00:40:43 utc | dirklectisch_ | looks juicy, so much interesting stuff to read, so hard to prioritize :-) |
| 2011-03-04 00:47:03 utc | dirklectisch_ | cool mind-map from your conversation with tosch yesterday! |
| 2011-03-04 00:47:15 utc | jmettraux | ah thanks |
| 2011-03-04 00:47:27 utc | jmettraux | actually, "ruote" shouldn't be at the center like it is |
| 2011-03-04 00:47:53 utc | dirklectisch_ | didn't even noticed it was |
| 2011-03-04 00:48:16 utc | dirklectisch_ | i liked how it clarifies some of the terms we have been talking about |
| 2011-03-04 00:57:07 utc | jmettraux | lots of copy/paste from the mac's dictionary ;-) |
| 2011-03-04 00:58:20 utc | dirklectisch_ | :-) |
| 2011-03-04 01:01:14 utc | dirklectisch_ | i have been using wordnik.com as my main english dictionary lately. Totally unrelated but highly recommended. ;-) |
| 2011-03-04 01:01:58 utc | jmettraux | http://www.wordnik.com/words/workflow nice, and the word "state" doesn't appear |
| 2011-03-04 01:02:48 utc | dirklectisch_ | it does: http://www.wordnik.com/words/state |
| 2011-03-04 01:02:50 utc | jmettraux | thanks ! |
| 2011-03-04 01:03:31 utc | jmettraux | ah, sorry, I was meaning the word "state" isn't mentioned in the "workflow" page |
| 2011-03-04 01:04:20 utc | dirklectisch_ | ah yes ;-) |
| 2011-03-04 01:04:34 utc | dirklectisch_ | while we are off-topic: I have been enjoying mindmeister.com as great way to collaborate on mindmaps. |
| 2011-03-04 01:05:01 utc | dirklectisch_ | (i should get back into sales ;-) ) |
| 2011-03-04 01:06:09 utc | jmettraux | he he, thanks again |
| 2011-03-04 01:06:20 utc | dirklectisch_ | it's a pleasure |
| 2011-03-04 01:39:38 utc | dirklectisch_ | Have you read the Workflow Management book by van Aalst / van Hee ? |
| 2011-03-04 01:39:39 utc | dirklectisch_ | http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=8633&ttype=2 |
| 2011-03-04 01:40:06 utc | dirklectisch_ | Is it readable / applicable, or very academic ? |
| 2011-03-04 01:43:04 utc | jmettraux | yes, but it got expanded into http://workflowpatterns.com/patterns/control/ |
| 2011-03-04 01:45:05 utc | dirklectisch_ | does it offer anything beyond the patterns? they are kind of 'dry' to work through by themselves. |
| 2011-03-04 01:45:28 utc | jmettraux | http://www.enterpriseintegrationpatterns.com/ --> http://www.enterpriseintegrationpatterns.com/ProcessManager.html |
| 2011-03-04 01:45:49 utc | jmettraux | Van Aalst :: it's a bit academic unfortunately |
| 2011-03-04 01:46:01 utc | jmettraux | yes it's dry |
| 2011-03-04 01:46:21 utc | dirklectisch_ | it seems like they are working on a follow up by the way: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12548 |
| 2011-03-04 01:46:31 utc | dirklectisch_ | thanks |
| 2011-03-04 01:46:53 utc | jmettraux | ah thanks ! |
| 2011-03-04 01:48:59 utc | jmettraux | subscribed to the alert list for this one |
| 2011-03-04 01:50:05 utc | jmettraux | working late ? |
| 2011-03-04 01:50:22 utc | dirklectisch_ | depends on what you call work |
| 2011-03-04 01:50:28 utc | dirklectisch_ | ;-) |
| 2011-03-04 01:50:56 utc | dirklectisch_ | mostly reading / thinking on the above topics :-) |
| 2011-03-04 01:51:59 utc | dirklectisch_ | what time is it there? |
| 2011-03-04 01:53:26 utc | jmettraux | 1051 |
| 2011-03-04 01:54:42 utc | dirklectisch_ | Ah its 02.52 here, but I'm a night person. |
| 2011-03-04 01:55:00 utc | dirklectisch_ | I love reading / coding etc. by night. |
| 2011-03-04 01:55:22 utc | dirklectisch_ | I guess there are less distraction at this time of day |
| 2011-03-04 01:59:21 utc | jmettraux | :-) |
| 2011-03-04 02:20:03 utc | dirklectisch_ | Well I guess I should get some rest before the morning comes. |
| 2011-03-04 02:20:29 utc | dirklectisch_ | Thanks for taking the time to talk to me, I enjoyed our conversation. |
| 2011-03-04 02:20:40 utc | jmettraux | me too, thanks a lot ! |
| 2011-03-04 02:21:00 utc | dirklectisch_ | I'm sure we will meet again. Have a nice day! |
| 2011-03-04 20:11:33 utc | dirklectisch | Question: Say you are modeling an systems that contains both resource life cycles as well as processes (i.e. workflow) explicitly as entities. |
| 2011-03-04 20:11:50 utc | dirklectisch | Where do you start modeling? |
| 2011-03-04 20:12:40 utc | dirklectisch | Either on the atomic level of the resources and their life cycle, or on the workflow level of roles and use cases. |
| 2011-03-05 02:11:22 utc | jmettraux | dirklectisch: hello, still around ? |
| 2011-03-05 02:11:55 utc | jmettraux | I'd start modelling the resources (and their potential lifecycles) then the workflow |
| 2011-03-05 02:11:58 utc | jmettraux | workflows |
| 2011-03-05 02:12:07 utc | jmettraux | bottom-up |
| 2011-03-05 02:13:39 utc | jmettraux | like you build a kitchen with its various tools and services |
| 2011-03-05 02:14:13 utc | jmettraux | then you can start with your recipes (your workflows) that change the state of multiple resources and use multiples services |
| 2011-03-05 02:14:19 utc | jmettraux | to produce an outcome |
| 2011-03-05 02:14:49 utc | jmettraux | the top down approach is also OK, especially when you want to optimize resources and services |
| 2011-03-05 02:15:00 utc | jmettraux | ie optimize the ergonomy of the "kitchen" |