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2011-03-04 00:35:26 utc dirklectisch_ discovering all kinds of stuff about ruby I didn't know about :-)
2011-03-04 00:36:05 utc dirklectisch_ anyway maybe I should send Jacque (?) this article: http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/10/shaking-someones-beliefs-turns-stronger-advocates/
2011-03-04 00:36:32 utc jmettraux aaah
2011-03-04 00:37:21 utc dirklectisch_ It's correlates very strongly with my own experience, the harder you try to convince someone, the less likely they are to adopt your ideas.
2011-03-04 00:37:49 utc jmettraux thanks for the summary, have it open, will read it carefully
2011-03-04 00:38:57 utc jmettraux http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Enough-Systems-Competitive-Automating/dp/0132347962/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1299198990&sr=8-1 (also very nice)
2011-03-04 00:40:43 utc dirklectisch_ looks juicy, so much interesting stuff to read, so hard to prioritize :-)
2011-03-04 00:47:03 utc dirklectisch_ cool mind-map from your conversation with tosch yesterday!
2011-03-04 00:47:15 utc jmettraux ah thanks
2011-03-04 00:47:27 utc jmettraux actually, "ruote" shouldn't be at the center like it is
2011-03-04 00:47:53 utc dirklectisch_ didn't even noticed it was
2011-03-04 00:48:16 utc dirklectisch_ i liked how it clarifies some of the terms we have been talking about
2011-03-04 00:57:07 utc jmettraux lots of copy/paste from the mac's dictionary ;-)
2011-03-04 00:58:20 utc dirklectisch_ :-)
2011-03-04 01:01:14 utc dirklectisch_ i have been using wordnik.com as my main english dictionary lately. Totally unrelated but highly recommended. ;-)
2011-03-04 01:01:58 utc jmettraux http://www.wordnik.com/words/workflow nice, and the word "state" doesn't appear
2011-03-04 01:02:48 utc dirklectisch_ it does: http://www.wordnik.com/words/state
2011-03-04 01:02:50 utc jmettraux thanks !
2011-03-04 01:03:31 utc jmettraux ah, sorry, I was meaning the word "state" isn't mentioned in the "workflow" page
2011-03-04 01:04:20 utc dirklectisch_ ah yes ;-)
2011-03-04 01:04:34 utc dirklectisch_ while we are off-topic: I have been enjoying mindmeister.com as great way to collaborate on mindmaps.
2011-03-04 01:05:01 utc dirklectisch_ (i should get back into sales ;-) )
2011-03-04 01:06:09 utc jmettraux he he, thanks again
2011-03-04 01:06:20 utc dirklectisch_ it's a pleasure
2011-03-04 01:39:38 utc dirklectisch_ Have you read the Workflow Management book by van Aalst / van Hee ?
2011-03-04 01:39:39 utc dirklectisch_ http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=8633&ttype=2
2011-03-04 01:40:06 utc dirklectisch_ Is it readable / applicable, or very academic ?
2011-03-04 01:43:04 utc jmettraux yes, but it got expanded into http://workflowpatterns.com/patterns/control/
2011-03-04 01:45:05 utc dirklectisch_ does it offer anything beyond the patterns? they are kind of 'dry' to work through by themselves.
2011-03-04 01:45:28 utc jmettraux http://www.enterpriseintegrationpatterns.com/ --> http://www.enterpriseintegrationpatterns.com/ProcessManager.html
2011-03-04 01:45:49 utc jmettraux Van Aalst :: it's a bit academic unfortunately
2011-03-04 01:46:01 utc jmettraux yes it's dry
2011-03-04 01:46:21 utc dirklectisch_ it seems like they are working on a follow up by the way: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12548
2011-03-04 01:46:31 utc dirklectisch_ thanks
2011-03-04 01:46:53 utc jmettraux ah thanks !
2011-03-04 01:48:59 utc jmettraux subscribed to the alert list for this one
2011-03-04 01:50:05 utc jmettraux working late ?
2011-03-04 01:50:22 utc dirklectisch_ depends on what you call work
2011-03-04 01:50:28 utc dirklectisch_ ;-)
2011-03-04 01:50:56 utc dirklectisch_ mostly reading / thinking on the above topics :-)
2011-03-04 01:51:59 utc dirklectisch_ what time is it there?
2011-03-04 01:53:26 utc jmettraux 1051
2011-03-04 01:54:42 utc dirklectisch_ Ah its 02.52 here, but I'm a night person.
2011-03-04 01:55:00 utc dirklectisch_ I love reading / coding etc. by night.
2011-03-04 01:55:22 utc dirklectisch_ I guess there are less distraction at this time of day
2011-03-04 01:59:21 utc jmettraux :-)
2011-03-04 02:20:03 utc dirklectisch_ Well I guess I should get some rest before the morning comes.
2011-03-04 02:20:29 utc dirklectisch_ Thanks for taking the time to talk to me, I enjoyed our conversation.
2011-03-04 02:20:40 utc jmettraux me too, thanks a lot !
2011-03-04 02:21:00 utc dirklectisch_ I'm sure we will meet again. Have a nice day!
2011-03-04 20:11:33 utc dirklectisch Question: Say you are modeling an systems that contains both resource life cycles as well as processes (i.e. workflow) explicitly as entities.
2011-03-04 20:11:50 utc dirklectisch Where do you start modeling?
2011-03-04 20:12:40 utc dirklectisch Either on the atomic level of the resources and their life cycle, or on the workflow level of roles and use cases.
2011-03-05 02:11:22 utc jmettraux dirklectisch: hello, still around ?
2011-03-05 02:11:55 utc jmettraux I'd start modelling the resources (and their potential lifecycles) then the workflow
2011-03-05 02:11:58 utc jmettraux workflows
2011-03-05 02:12:07 utc jmettraux bottom-up
2011-03-05 02:13:39 utc jmettraux like you build a kitchen with its various tools and services
2011-03-05 02:14:13 utc jmettraux then you can start with your recipes (your workflows) that change the state of multiple resources and use multiples services
2011-03-05 02:14:19 utc jmettraux to produce an outcome
2011-03-05 02:14:49 utc jmettraux the top down approach is also OK, especially when you want to optimize resources and services
2011-03-05 02:15:00 utc jmettraux ie optimize the ergonomy of the "kitchen"