2011-03-04 00:35:26 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
discovering all kinds of stuff about ruby I didn't know about :-) |
2011-03-04 00:36:05 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
anyway maybe I should send Jacque (?) this article: http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2010/10/shaking-someones-beliefs-turns-stronger-advocates/ |
2011-03-04 00:36:32 utc |
jmettraux |
aaah |
2011-03-04 00:37:21 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
It's correlates very strongly with my own experience, the harder you try to convince someone, the less likely they are to adopt your ideas. |
2011-03-04 00:37:49 utc |
jmettraux |
thanks for the summary, have it open, will read it carefully |
2011-03-04 00:38:57 utc |
jmettraux |
http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Enough-Systems-Competitive-Automating/dp/0132347962/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1299198990&sr=8-1 (also very nice) |
2011-03-04 00:40:43 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
looks juicy, so much interesting stuff to read, so hard to prioritize :-) |
2011-03-04 00:47:03 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
cool mind-map from your conversation with tosch yesterday! |
2011-03-04 00:47:15 utc |
jmettraux |
ah thanks |
2011-03-04 00:47:27 utc |
jmettraux |
actually, "ruote" shouldn't be at the center like it is |
2011-03-04 00:47:53 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
didn't even noticed it was |
2011-03-04 00:48:16 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
i liked how it clarifies some of the terms we have been talking about |
2011-03-04 00:57:07 utc |
jmettraux |
lots of copy/paste from the mac's dictionary ;-) |
2011-03-04 00:58:20 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
:-) |
2011-03-04 01:01:14 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
i have been using wordnik.com as my main english dictionary lately. Totally unrelated but highly recommended. ;-) |
2011-03-04 01:01:58 utc |
jmettraux |
http://www.wordnik.com/words/workflow nice, and the word "state" doesn't appear |
2011-03-04 01:02:48 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
it does: http://www.wordnik.com/words/state |
2011-03-04 01:02:50 utc |
jmettraux |
thanks ! |
2011-03-04 01:03:31 utc |
jmettraux |
ah, sorry, I was meaning the word "state" isn't mentioned in the "workflow" page |
2011-03-04 01:04:20 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
ah yes ;-) |
2011-03-04 01:04:34 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
while we are off-topic: I have been enjoying mindmeister.com as great way to collaborate on mindmaps. |
2011-03-04 01:05:01 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
(i should get back into sales ;-) ) |
2011-03-04 01:06:09 utc |
jmettraux |
he he, thanks again |
2011-03-04 01:06:20 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
it's a pleasure |
2011-03-04 01:39:38 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
Have you read the Workflow Management book by van Aalst / van Hee ? |
2011-03-04 01:39:39 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?tid=8633&ttype=2 |
2011-03-04 01:40:06 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
Is it readable / applicable, or very academic ? |
2011-03-04 01:43:04 utc |
jmettraux |
yes, but it got expanded into http://workflowpatterns.com/patterns/control/ |
2011-03-04 01:45:05 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
does it offer anything beyond the patterns? they are kind of 'dry' to work through by themselves. |
2011-03-04 01:45:28 utc |
jmettraux |
http://www.enterpriseintegrationpatterns.com/ --> http://www.enterpriseintegrationpatterns.com/ProcessManager.html |
2011-03-04 01:45:49 utc |
jmettraux |
Van Aalst :: it's a bit academic unfortunately |
2011-03-04 01:46:01 utc |
jmettraux |
yes it's dry |
2011-03-04 01:46:21 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
it seems like they are working on a follow up by the way: http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12548 |
2011-03-04 01:46:31 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
thanks |
2011-03-04 01:46:53 utc |
jmettraux |
ah thanks ! |
2011-03-04 01:48:59 utc |
jmettraux |
subscribed to the alert list for this one |
2011-03-04 01:50:05 utc |
jmettraux |
working late ? |
2011-03-04 01:50:22 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
depends on what you call work |
2011-03-04 01:50:28 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
;-) |
2011-03-04 01:50:56 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
mostly reading / thinking on the above topics :-) |
2011-03-04 01:51:59 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
what time is it there? |
2011-03-04 01:53:26 utc |
jmettraux |
1051 |
2011-03-04 01:54:42 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
Ah its 02.52 here, but I'm a night person. |
2011-03-04 01:55:00 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
I love reading / coding etc. by night. |
2011-03-04 01:55:22 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
I guess there are less distraction at this time of day |
2011-03-04 01:59:21 utc |
jmettraux |
:-) |
2011-03-04 02:20:03 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
Well I guess I should get some rest before the morning comes. |
2011-03-04 02:20:29 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
Thanks for taking the time to talk to me, I enjoyed our conversation. |
2011-03-04 02:20:40 utc |
jmettraux |
me too, thanks a lot ! |
2011-03-04 02:21:00 utc |
dirklectisch_ |
I'm sure we will meet again. Have a nice day! |
2011-03-04 20:11:33 utc |
dirklectisch |
Question: Say you are modeling an systems that contains both resource life cycles as well as processes (i.e. workflow) explicitly as entities. |
2011-03-04 20:11:50 utc |
dirklectisch |
Where do you start modeling? |
2011-03-04 20:12:40 utc |
dirklectisch |
Either on the atomic level of the resources and their life cycle, or on the workflow level of roles and use cases. |
2011-03-05 02:11:22 utc |
jmettraux |
dirklectisch: hello, still around ? |
2011-03-05 02:11:55 utc |
jmettraux |
I'd start modelling the resources (and their potential lifecycles) then the workflow |
2011-03-05 02:11:58 utc |
jmettraux |
workflows |
2011-03-05 02:12:07 utc |
jmettraux |
bottom-up |
2011-03-05 02:13:39 utc |
jmettraux |
like you build a kitchen with its various tools and services |
2011-03-05 02:14:13 utc |
jmettraux |
then you can start with your recipes (your workflows) that change the state of multiple resources and use multiples services |
2011-03-05 02:14:19 utc |
jmettraux |
to produce an outcome |
2011-03-05 02:14:49 utc |
jmettraux |
the top down approach is also OK, especially when you want to optimize resources and services |
2011-03-05 02:15:00 utc |
jmettraux |
ie optimize the ergonomy of the "kitchen" |