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2011-01-12 06:22:41 utc jmettraux alterscapes: hello and welcome to #ruote
2011-01-12 06:23:01 utc alterscapes thank you jmettraux
2011-01-12 07:38:17 utc jmettraux kschiess: hello, quick question : "features tree transformations to be able to act on your grammar"... act on the resulting tree ?
2011-01-12 07:39:25 utc kschiess Instead of inline blocks, parslet generates Ruby Hashes and Arrays. To act on those, it has a pattern matcher built in. So to act on your grammar (to build an AST), you'll need the pattern matcher. Maybe the phrasing is off?
2011-01-12 07:41:49 utc jmettraux tree transformation... AST transformation ?
2011-01-12 07:41:53 utc jmettraux lisp macro ?
2011-01-12 07:42:39 utc kschiess The output of the parser is not stable as the grammar changes. So I built an intermediary step that allows you to keep the AST stable. (looking for a link...)
2011-01-12 07:43:10 utc kschiess skip to "Tree output and what to do about it"
2011-01-12 07:43:50 utc kschiess Or did you already read that?
2011-01-12 07:44:37 utc jmettraux only skimmed
2011-01-12 07:44:40 utc jmettraux thanks
2011-01-12 07:44:49 utc jmettraux now I think I understand
2011-01-12 07:45:14 utc kschiess It decouples the parser from the AST creation.
2011-01-12 07:45:48 utc kschiess Look at the examples directory, for example:
2011-01-12 07:45:54 utc kschiess (Has other cool uses)
2011-01-12 07:47:09 utc jmettraux it does way more than Treetop, right ?
2011-01-12 07:47:42 utc kschiess ... Less and more ;)
2011-01-12 07:47:47 utc jmettraux :-)
2011-01-12 07:47:59 utc jmettraux well done, kudos for the ruby inside coverage
2011-01-12 07:48:06 utc kschiess Just asked for it ;)
2011-01-12 07:48:11 utc kschiess But thanks
2011-01-12 11:32:34 utc gonzalo hi all
2011-01-12 11:32:53 utc tosch_le hi gonzalo!
2011-01-12 11:33:21 utc gonzalo hi tosch_le
2011-01-12 11:33:40 utc jmettraux hi gonzalo !
2011-01-12 11:33:41 utc gonzalo i'm using ruote-kit and i have a process that is meant to run forever
2011-01-12 11:33:46 utc gonzalo hi john
2011-01-12 11:34:09 utc gonzalo is there a way to always start ruote-kit and have that process running
2011-01-12 11:34:28 utc gonzalo if it is not, start it. if exist just do nothing
2011-01-12 11:34:51 utc tosch_le the process runs inside ruote, not ruote-kit
2011-01-12 11:35:03 utc tosch_le do you use ruote-kit inside rails?
2011-01-12 11:35:20 utc gonzalo no just ruote-kit stand alone
2011-01-12 11:35:36 utc jmettraux
2011-01-12 11:35:40 utc tosch_le then i'd start the process in, for example
2011-01-12 11:35:49 utc jmettraux +1
2011-01-12 11:35:51 utc gonzalo cool guys!
2011-01-12 11:36:17 utc tosch_le (after checking if it's already running)
2011-01-12 11:36:20 utc gonzalo many thanks, i thought about using for that but i wanted to know more views
2011-01-12 11:37:18 utc gonzalo :)
2011-01-12 11:37:29 utc jmettraux
2011-01-12 11:37:40 utc jmettraux a launch_single in
2011-01-12 11:38:21 utc gonzalo oh cool, there's a method for "singleton" processes
2011-01-12 11:38:37 utc gonzalo many thanks for the tip
2011-01-12 11:38:58 utc tosch_le is fine imho
2011-01-12 11:39:15 utc jmettraux follow tosch_le, he's the ruote-kit master
2011-01-12 11:39:28 utc gonzalo perfect then. i'll go that way
2011-01-12 11:39:56 utc gonzalo thank you much guys
2011-01-12 11:40:08 utc tosch_le but you might want to separate things more, having a method in your apps namespace may be more appropriate for documentation purposes
2011-01-12 11:40:26 utc tosch_le just call that method in
2011-01-12 11:40:51 utc tosch_le it depends on your needs
2011-01-12 11:41:27 utc gonzalo well, this kind of processes are in /pdefs//system
2011-01-12 11:41:35 utc gonzalo sorry /pdefs/system
2011-01-12 11:41:46 utc gonzalo all of them should be 'single'
2011-01-12 11:42:19 utc tosch_le i meant ruby namespace
2011-01-12 11:43:44 utc gonzalo ummm... i'll think about it
2011-01-12 11:45:34 utc tosch_le something like that:
2011-01-12 11:46:38 utc gonzalo very clean! thanks for the suggestion. i'll do it as you said. :)
2011-01-12 12:25:41 utc gonzalo ummm... launch_single is working pretty well, but now i'm thinking in the case where the process that is meant to run forever is killed accidentally. is there a easy way for ruote to know this fact and restart the workflow. is something similar to erlang and its monitors
2011-01-12 12:26:30 utc jmettraux well, ruote 2.1.12 (edge) has engine.on_error = "x"
2011-01-12 12:26:47 utc jmettraux and engine.on_terminate = "x"
2011-01-12 12:27:00 utc gonzalo umm cool!
2011-01-12 12:27:22 utc gonzalo ok, good to know
2011-01-12 12:27:38 utc jmettraux if you need something more precise, please tell me
2011-01-12 12:27:52 utc jmettraux
2011-01-12 12:27:54 utc gonzalo no, i guess that is fine
2011-01-12 12:28:01 utc jmettraux
2011-01-12 12:29:08 utc gonzalo thanks for the info :P
2011-01-12 12:29:14 utc jmettraux you're welcome
2011-01-12 12:36:58 utc gonzalo as far as I see, engine.on_terminate grabs every event terminate
2011-01-12 12:37:09 utc jmettraux yes
2011-01-12 12:37:42 utc gonzalo maybe it would be nice to have a engine.on_terminate(wfid) that only gets called when process with wfid is terminated
2011-01-12 12:38:07 utc gonzalo well it's just a quick thought, maybe it is not that useful
2011-01-12 12:38:26 utc jmettraux you can pass a participant name, a subprocess name or a process definition tree
2011-01-12 12:38:33 utc tosch_le for that case, a on_terminate expression would be better imho
2011-01-12 12:38:39 utc gonzalo probably a flag in launch_single like :cant_die => true would be cleaner
2011-01-12 12:38:42 utc jmettraux aah + 1
2011-01-12 12:39:28 utc tosch_le +1
2011-01-12 12:39:53 utc jmettraux (can't remember if there is an on_terminate for processes, I think not, since you can simply place the on_terminate at the end...)
2011-01-12 12:40:05 utc jmettraux (there's on_cancel and on_error though)
2011-01-12 12:40:23 utc gonzalo yes
2011-01-12 12:41:04 utc tosch_le so you could use a participant which calls launch_single as the last step
2011-01-12 12:41:07 utc gonzalo it could restart it self with the :on_cancel attribute
2011-01-12 12:42:54 utc gonzalo ok, many thanks again for the comments :P
2011-01-12 12:43:15 utc jmettraux what is the use case ? The singleton process ends up in an error ?
2011-01-12 12:43:28 utc jmettraux or the singleton process is killed inadvertently ?
2011-01-12 12:43:39 utc jmettraux (admin kills it)
2011-01-12 12:43:39 utc gonzalo second one
2011-01-12 12:44:02 utc gonzalo yes it's very weird but may happen
2011-01-12 12:44:18 utc jmettraux wouldn't it be easier to babyproof the app to prevent singleton processes to get cancelled then ?
2011-01-12 12:44:19 utc gonzalo someone accidentally kills it
2011-01-12 12:44:56 utc jmettraux (... cron process that launch_single maybe ...)
2011-01-12 12:44:56 utc gonzalo well, i think you are tight
2011-01-12 12:45:03 utc gonzalo right
2011-01-12 12:45:26 utc gonzalo it's best to prevent anybody from invoking a DELETE on those wfid
2011-01-12 12:45:42 utc gonzalo i think its the reasonable aproach
2011-01-12 12:46:36 utc jmettraux there are no "users" in ruote... An operating system would prevent user john from killing processes launched as root...
2011-01-12 12:47:02 utc tosch_le i like the on_cancel approach. it documents that the process should live forever inside the process def
2011-01-12 12:47:22 utc jmettraux right
2011-01-12 12:47:50 utc gonzalo nice i like your approach
2011-01-12 12:49:48 utc gonzalo got to go now, thanks again for your invaluable tips! :P
2011-01-12 12:50:32 utc tosch_le you're welcome, bye!
2011-01-12 12:51:55 utc jmettraux bye !
2011-01-12 13:47:32 utc gonzalo hi again, i've found a weird behaviour with launch_single(). when i start ruote-kit, launch_single starts process "P". then i cancel that process and stop ruote-kit. again, i run ruote-kit and process P should be launched again since i killed it before, but it doesn't appear in /processes
2011-01-12 13:48:31 utc jmettraux no error ?
2011-01-12 13:49:12 utc gonzalo no
2011-01-12 13:49:18 utc gonzalo it cancels well
2011-01-12 13:49:29 utc gonzalo i've seen one curious thing
2011-01-12 13:49:43 utc gonzalo i print the wfid everytime ruote-kit starts
2011-01-12 13:49:54 utc gonzalo and the wfid is the same
2011-01-12 13:50:20 utc gonzalo the difference is that the second time I start ruote-kit /processes doesn't show the process
2011-01-12 13:50:56 utc jmettraux I think I understand
2011-01-12 13:51:06 utc jmettraux I think the process is not supposed to stop
2011-01-12 13:51:39 utc gonzalo ok
2011-01-12 13:51:41 utc jmettraux I'm slowly closing the shop here
2011-01-12 13:51:56 utc jmettraux could you please summarize the issue in an email to the mailing list ?
2011-01-12 13:52:04 utc jmettraux I'll deal with that ASAP
2011-01-12 13:52:16 utc gonzalo yes of course, no problem
2011-01-12 13:52:24 utc gonzalo i'll report this to the mailing list
2011-01-12 13:52:55 utc jmettraux :-
2011-01-12 13:53:00 utc jmettraux )
2011-01-12 13:53:08 utc gonzalo goodnight john
2011-01-12 13:56:10 utc jmettraux thanks !
2011-01-12 13:56:13 utc jmettraux ciao !