| 2010-11-04 01:09:28 utc | jmettraux | seahawks7: hello and welcome to #ruote |
| 2010-11-04 01:09:36 utc | seahawks7 | hello |
| 2010-11-04 01:10:02 utc | seahawks7 | I'm still reviewing your site, attempting to fully understand what ruote provides beyond a state machine |
| 2010-11-04 01:10:35 utc | jmettraux | it's not providing anything a state machine would |
| 2010-11-04 01:11:09 utc | seahawks7 | apparently I'm missing the distinction :) |
| 2010-11-04 01:11:21 utc | jmettraux | the second quote in http://jmettraux.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/resource-lifecycle-tuple/ is enlightening |
| 2010-11-04 01:12:25 utc | seahawks7 | reading... |
| 2010-11-04 01:15:03 utc | seahawks7 | hmmm, still not getting the distinction(unfortunately) |
| 2010-11-04 01:15:32 utc | jmettraux | ok |
| 2010-11-04 01:15:59 utc | jmettraux | what is a workflow for you then ? |
| 2010-11-04 01:16:23 utc | seahawks7 | a business process |
| 2010-11-04 01:16:50 utc | seahawks7 | various steps/states/transitions |
| 2010-11-04 01:17:31 utc | seahawks7 | from what I've read so far, I think the use of the word "process" can be problematic depending on interpretation |
| 2010-11-04 01:18:25 utc | seahawks7 | http://jmettraux.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/state-machine-workflow-engine/ |
| 2010-11-04 01:18:36 utc | seahawks7 | let me ponder this for a bit |
| 2010-11-04 01:18:45 utc | seahawks7 | I might have more intelligent questions heh |
| 2010-11-04 01:18:58 utc | jmettraux | entity lifecyle != workflow |
| 2010-11-04 01:19:11 utc | jmettraux | sometimes it overlaps 1:1, sometimes not |
| 2010-11-04 01:19:59 utc | jmettraux | if we haven't a common understanding of some basic stuff, why bother about "more intelligent questions" ? |
| 2010-11-04 01:20:36 utc | seahawks7 | agreed, however I think its little more then semantics, at least at first look |
| 2010-11-04 01:21:06 utc | seahawks7 | is ruoute by your definition a "sequential workflow" |
| 2010-11-04 01:21:18 utc | jmettraux | it's a workflow engine |
| 2010-11-04 01:22:05 utc | jmettraux | a "sequential workflow" is a distinction introduced by Microsoft to distinguish two things in their workflow product |
| 2010-11-04 01:22:50 utc | seahawks7 | IC, just referring to the quote "I’m clearly in the “sequential workflow” faction" |
| 2010-11-04 01:23:22 utc | jmettraux | yes |
| 2010-11-04 01:24:20 utc | jmettraux | state machines are mostly used to manage the state of entities, workflows are more like programs |
| 2010-11-04 01:25:28 utc | seahawks7 | I'm still reading, but I'm starting to see the distinction |
| 2010-11-04 01:25:46 utc | seahawks7 | code examples always help to illustrate heh |
| 2010-11-04 01:27:47 utc | seahawks7 | cool, I think I understand at a high level at least the difference |
| 2010-11-04 01:27:59 utc | jmettraux | great |
| 2010-11-04 01:29:20 utc | seahawks7 | would you say https://github.com/threetee/ruote-rails-example |
| 2010-11-04 01:29:37 utc | seahawks7 | is a good example of ruote at this point? |
| 2010-11-04 01:30:00 utc | seahawks7 | you have a reference to "TheBoard" but that seems to be newer then this sample project |
| 2010-11-04 01:30:05 utc | jmettraux | this one is more recent : https://github.com/tosch/ruote-on-rails |
| 2010-11-04 01:30:25 utc | jmettraux | yes, the board got merged into Torsten's ruote-on-rails |
| 2010-11-04 01:30:42 utc | jmettraux | it's a sample Rails / ruote integration |
| 2010-11-04 01:31:18 utc | seahawks7 | well, I'm going to grab dinner and dive in, thanks for the info! |
| 2010-11-04 01:31:26 utc | seahawks7 | and hi wayne, nice to see you in here |
| 2010-11-04 01:32:31 utc | jmettraux | maybe it's better to get acquainted with ruote itself at first, and then look at ruote-on-rails |
| 2010-11-04 01:34:43 utc | seahawks7 | will do, this a newish area to me so I definitely need to get a better feel for things. Thanks again! |
| 2010-11-04 01:34:51 utc | jmettraux | you're welcome |
| 2010-11-04 03:54:18 utc | hassox | hey jmettraux |
| 2010-11-04 03:54:25 utc | jmettraux | hassox: hello |
| 2010-11-04 03:54:26 utc | hassox | thanx heaps for the pointers on the ml |
| 2010-11-04 03:54:33 utc | jmettraux | ah, you're welcome |
| 2010-11-04 03:55:26 utc | jmettraux | sorry if it appears nebulous, many ways to skin a cat, we're hoping to show you that your options are open |
| 2010-11-04 03:57:15 utc | hassox | yeah it was good |
| 2010-11-04 03:57:26 utc | hassox | before htat I had no idea what a catchall was useful for |
| 2010-11-04 07:41:25 utc | tosch_le | hi! |
| 2010-11-04 07:41:42 utc | tosch_le | hassox: did you already digest the answers on the ml? |
| 2010-11-04 07:43:57 utc | jmettraux | tosch_le: hello, he replied in the affirmative 4 hours ago, thanks ! |
| 2010-11-04 07:44:20 utc | tosch_le | :-) |
| 2010-11-04 07:46:52 utc | jmettraux | tosch_le : pushed a bit ahead of time : http://ruote.rubyforge.org/irclogs/ruote_2010-11-04.txt |
| 2010-11-04 07:49:48 utc | tosch_le | thanks |
| 2010-11-04 10:49:33 utc | jmettraux | tosch_le: |
| 2010-11-04 10:50:12 utc | jmettraux | could you please add the github user "geometron" to ruote-on-rails ? He's my designer friend |
| 2010-11-04 10:54:24 utc | tosch_le | yes, i'll do so as soon as my computer has recovered from a swap-memory-to-disk attack ;-) |
| 2010-11-04 10:56:19 utc | jmettraux | ok :-) |
| 2010-11-04 10:59:16 utc | tosch_le | [x] done |
| 2010-11-04 11:00:30 utc | jmettraux | many thanks ! |