ruote log_2010-11-04

2010-11-04 01:09:28 utc jmettraux seahawks7: hello and welcome to #ruote
2010-11-04 01:09:36 utc seahawks7 hello
2010-11-04 01:10:02 utc seahawks7 I'm still reviewing your site, attempting to fully understand what ruote provides beyond a state machine
2010-11-04 01:10:35 utc jmettraux it's not providing anything a state machine would
2010-11-04 01:11:09 utc seahawks7 apparently I'm missing the distinction :)
2010-11-04 01:11:21 utc jmettraux the second quote in http://jmettraux.wordpress.com/2010/10/27/resource-lifecycle-tuple/ is enlightening
2010-11-04 01:12:25 utc seahawks7 reading...
2010-11-04 01:15:03 utc seahawks7 hmmm, still not getting the distinction(unfortunately)
2010-11-04 01:15:32 utc jmettraux ok
2010-11-04 01:15:59 utc jmettraux what is a workflow for you then ?
2010-11-04 01:16:23 utc seahawks7 a business process
2010-11-04 01:16:50 utc seahawks7 various steps/states/transitions
2010-11-04 01:17:31 utc seahawks7 from what I've read so far, I think the use of the word "process" can be problematic depending on interpretation
2010-11-04 01:18:25 utc seahawks7 http://jmettraux.wordpress.com/2009/07/03/state-machine-workflow-engine/
2010-11-04 01:18:36 utc seahawks7 let me ponder this for a bit
2010-11-04 01:18:45 utc seahawks7 I might have more intelligent questions heh
2010-11-04 01:18:58 utc jmettraux entity lifecyle != workflow
2010-11-04 01:19:11 utc jmettraux sometimes it overlaps 1:1, sometimes not
2010-11-04 01:19:59 utc jmettraux if we haven't a common understanding of some basic stuff, why bother about "more intelligent questions" ?
2010-11-04 01:20:36 utc seahawks7 agreed, however I think its little more then semantics, at least at first look
2010-11-04 01:21:06 utc seahawks7 is ruoute by your definition a "sequential workflow"
2010-11-04 01:21:18 utc jmettraux it's a workflow engine
2010-11-04 01:22:05 utc jmettraux a "sequential workflow" is a distinction introduced by Microsoft to distinguish two things in their workflow product
2010-11-04 01:22:50 utc seahawks7 IC, just referring to the quote "I’m clearly in the “sequential workflow” faction"
2010-11-04 01:23:22 utc jmettraux yes
2010-11-04 01:24:20 utc jmettraux state machines are mostly used to manage the state of entities, workflows are more like programs
2010-11-04 01:25:28 utc seahawks7 I'm still reading, but I'm starting to see the distinction
2010-11-04 01:25:46 utc seahawks7 code examples always help to illustrate heh
2010-11-04 01:27:47 utc seahawks7 cool, I think I understand at a high level at least the difference
2010-11-04 01:27:59 utc jmettraux great
2010-11-04 01:29:20 utc seahawks7 would you say https://github.com/threetee/ruote-rails-example
2010-11-04 01:29:37 utc seahawks7 is a good example of ruote at this point?
2010-11-04 01:30:00 utc seahawks7 you have a reference to "TheBoard" but that seems to be newer then this sample project
2010-11-04 01:30:05 utc jmettraux this one is more recent : https://github.com/tosch/ruote-on-rails
2010-11-04 01:30:25 utc jmettraux yes, the board got merged into Torsten's ruote-on-rails
2010-11-04 01:30:42 utc jmettraux it's a sample Rails / ruote integration
2010-11-04 01:31:18 utc seahawks7 well, I'm going to grab dinner and dive in, thanks for the info!
2010-11-04 01:31:26 utc seahawks7 and hi wayne, nice to see you in here
2010-11-04 01:32:31 utc jmettraux maybe it's better to get acquainted with ruote itself at first, and then look at ruote-on-rails
2010-11-04 01:34:43 utc seahawks7 will do, this a newish area to me so I definitely need to get a better feel for things. Thanks again!
2010-11-04 01:34:51 utc jmettraux you're welcome
2010-11-04 03:54:18 utc hassox hey jmettraux
2010-11-04 03:54:25 utc jmettraux hassox: hello
2010-11-04 03:54:26 utc hassox thanx heaps for the pointers on the ml
2010-11-04 03:54:33 utc jmettraux ah, you're welcome
2010-11-04 03:55:26 utc jmettraux sorry if it appears nebulous, many ways to skin a cat, we're hoping to show you that your options are open
2010-11-04 03:57:15 utc hassox yeah it was good
2010-11-04 03:57:26 utc hassox before htat I had no idea what a catchall was useful for
2010-11-04 07:41:25 utc tosch_le hi!
2010-11-04 07:41:42 utc tosch_le hassox: did you already digest the answers on the ml?
2010-11-04 07:43:57 utc jmettraux tosch_le: hello, he replied in the affirmative 4 hours ago, thanks !
2010-11-04 07:44:20 utc tosch_le :-)
2010-11-04 07:46:52 utc jmettraux tosch_le : pushed a bit ahead of time : http://ruote.rubyforge.org/irclogs/ruote_2010-11-04.txt
2010-11-04 07:49:48 utc tosch_le thanks
2010-11-04 10:49:33 utc jmettraux tosch_le:
2010-11-04 10:50:12 utc jmettraux could you please add the github user "geometron" to ruote-on-rails ? He's my designer friend
2010-11-04 10:54:24 utc tosch_le yes, i'll do so as soon as my computer has recovered from a swap-memory-to-disk attack ;-)
2010-11-04 10:56:19 utc jmettraux ok :-)
2010-11-04 10:59:16 utc tosch_le [x] done
2010-11-04 11:00:30 utc jmettraux many thanks !