2010-02-24 07:24:05 utc |
tosch_le |
good morning! |
2010-02-24 07:24:07 utc |
tosch_le |
jmettraux: where is my rk repo pointing to ruote 2.1.4? i could just find pointers to 2.1.6 as minimum version |
2010-02-24 07:24:26 utc |
jmettraux |
tosch_le: good morning ! |
2010-02-24 07:24:32 utc |
jmettraux |
In the ruote-kit.gemspec |
2010-02-24 07:25:34 utc |
tosch_le |
will update that now |
2010-02-24 07:25:48 utc |
jmettraux |
I did it in my fork as well |
2010-02-24 07:30:54 utc |
jmettraux |
ok, rebased |
2010-02-24 07:31:11 utc |
jmettraux |
will try to push, though it tells me I diverged |
2010-02-24 07:31:28 utc |
jmettraux |
push rejected |
2010-02-24 07:32:27 utc |
tosch_le |
oups. |
2010-02-24 07:32:50 utc |
tosch_le |
rebasing public branches seems to be a bad idea. |
2010-02-24 07:32:56 utc |
tosch_le |
:-( |
2010-02-24 07:35:11 utc |
jmettraux |
replied to the mailing list |
2010-02-24 07:35:37 utc |
jmettraux |
thanks for adding me to your repo :) |
2010-02-24 07:48:08 utc |
tosch_le |
fetched, rebased, merged and pushed you're changes. |
2010-02-24 07:48:57 utc |
tosch_le |
s/you're/your/ |
2010-02-24 07:53:56 utc |
jmettraux |
ok |
2010-02-24 07:54:11 utc |
jmettraux |
I will kill my fork soon then |
2010-02-24 07:54:14 utc |
jmettraux |
thanks ! |
2010-02-24 07:54:20 utc |
tosch_le |
never mind. |
2010-02-24 07:54:51 utc |
tosch_le |
always a pleasure to be part of the community :-) |
2010-02-24 07:54:57 utc |
jmettraux |
:) |
2010-02-24 11:58:07 utc |
jmettraux |
qmx: welcome on #ruote |
2010-02-24 11:58:13 utc |
qmx |
hi! |
2010-02-24 11:58:20 utc |
jmettraux |
hi ! |
2010-02-24 11:58:32 utc |
qmx |
I'm evaluating ruote for our project |
2010-02-24 11:58:39 utc |
jmettraux |
ah nice |
2010-02-24 11:58:53 utc |
qmx |
do you know some javascript workflow designer? |
2010-02-24 11:59:14 utc |
jmettraux |
http://github.com/jmettraux/ruote-fluo |
2010-02-24 11:59:43 utc |
qmx |
well, ruote-fluo will draw the boxes after I write the process - boss wants the inverse flux... |
2010-02-24 12:00:10 utc |
jmettraux |
ruote-fluo includes a designer |
2010-02-24 12:00:19 utc |
qmx |
let's try again |
2010-02-24 12:00:26 utc |
jmettraux |
if you install it, you'll see it |
2010-02-24 12:00:42 utc |
qmx |
I installed it - probably didn't understood well |
2010-02-24 12:00:54 utc |
jmettraux |
but it's not a "click and draw" one, it's a "write and render immediately" one |
2010-02-24 12:02:13 utc |
qmx |
That's the point - probably I will need to implement the click and draw thang |
2010-02-24 12:02:15 utc |
qmx |
ACTION sighs |
2010-02-24 12:02:31 utc |
jmettraux |
I understand your pain |
2010-02-24 12:02:37 utc |
qmx |
btw, amazing work - it's damn simple than jbpm |
2010-02-24 12:02:46 utc |
jmettraux |
ah cool :) |
2010-02-24 12:02:48 utc |
qmx |
and still powerful |
2010-02-24 12:03:01 utc |
qmx |
s/simple/simpler/ |
2010-02-24 12:03:43 utc |
qmx |
what's the roadmap for the project? do you have some todo list? |
2010-02-24 12:04:16 utc |
jmettraux |
well, http://github.com/jmettraux/ruote/blob/ruote2.1/TODO.txt but that's low level |
2010-02-24 12:04:44 utc |
jmettraux |
how did you hear about ruote ? |
2010-02-24 12:05:14 utc |
qmx |
google ruby bpm |
2010-02-24 12:05:16 utc |
qmx |
:) |
2010-02-24 12:05:23 utc |
jmettraux |
nice :) |
2010-02-24 12:06:03 utc |
qmx |
is there some "success case" with ruote? it would be nice to add promotion |
2010-02-24 12:06:15 utc |
jmettraux |
we have a set of projects at : http://ruote.rubyforge.org/source.html |
2010-02-24 12:06:19 utc |
jmettraux |
success case... |
2010-02-24 12:06:24 utc |
jmettraux |
let me think |
2010-02-24 12:06:47 utc |
qmx |
well...I'm foreigner btw, sorry for the crappy "engrish" |
2010-02-24 12:07:00 utc |
jmettraux |
I'm a foreigner as well ;) |
2010-02-24 12:07:04 utc |
qmx |
well, projects that use ruote |
2010-02-24 12:07:19 utc |
jmettraux |
kennethkalmer uses it in his iiab : http://www.opensourcery.co.za/ |
2010-02-24 12:07:22 utc |
qmx |
or businesses |
2010-02-24 12:07:31 utc |
jmettraux |
tosch_le: are you a success case ? |
2010-02-24 12:08:27 utc |
jmettraux |
the FermiLab is using ruote : http://super.bu.edu/~brower/scidacFNAL2008/slides/WorkflowStatus-NOV-07-2008.pdf |
2010-02-24 12:09:11 utc |
jmettraux |
jbpm vs openwfe (the ancestor of ruote) : http://www.workflowpatterns.com/documentation/documents/BPM-07-12.pdf |
2010-02-24 12:09:42 utc |
jmettraux |
this last doc shows that ruote can express more workflow patterns directly than the other workflow engines studied |
2010-02-24 12:11:27 utc |
jmettraux |
those guys were using ruote http://www.cloudcrowd.com/ but I have no news from them, they probably moved on to something else |
2010-02-24 12:12:09 utc |
jmettraux |
since I don't sell ruote, companies tend to not advertise their use of ruote |
2010-02-24 12:12:18 utc |
qmx |
hmmm |
2010-02-24 12:12:21 utc |
qmx |
that's true |
2010-02-24 12:12:38 utc |
qmx |
we sell ruby-based software on a black box |
2010-02-24 12:12:53 utc |
qmx |
some companies are afraid of opensource, unfortunately =/ |
2010-02-24 12:13:17 utc |
jmettraux |
:( |
2010-02-24 12:14:02 utc |
qmx |
just one more question, as I bothered you too much already |
2010-02-24 12:14:08 utc |
jmettraux |
no no, it's OK |
2010-02-24 12:14:12 utc |
qmx |
do you have some kind of xsd for the XML? |
2010-02-24 12:14:20 utc |
jmettraux |
no, sorry, none |
2010-02-24 12:14:47 utc |
jmettraux |
not using much XML these days, doing a lot with the ruby DSL |
2010-02-24 12:14:48 utc |
qmx |
that would make it easy to use an external editor |
2010-02-24 12:15:16 utc |
qmx |
me too - but that would fit like a glove to the click-based designer |
2010-02-24 12:15:41 utc |
jmettraux |
well, the AST (abstract syntax tree) has too be JSONifiable |
2010-02-24 12:15:56 utc |
jmettraux |
so it's not really XML underneath |
2010-02-24 12:16:01 utc |
qmx |
hmmm |
2010-02-24 12:16:04 utc |
qmx |
makes sense |
2010-02-24 12:16:16 utc |
jmettraux |
the XSD is very constraining |
2010-02-24 12:16:41 utc |
jmettraux |
especially when you can write instead of |
2010-02-24 12:16:58 utc |
jmettraux |
that kind of readability shortcut |
2010-02-24 12:17:37 utc |
jmettraux |
here is an interesting click designer : http://bpt.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/Oryx/BPMN |
2010-02-24 12:18:01 utc |
jmettraux |
we could write a translator from their storage format to ruote's |
2010-02-24 12:18:27 utc |
qmx |
it's opensource? |
2010-02-24 12:18:35 utc |
jmettraux |
seems like it |
2010-02-24 12:19:06 utc |
jmettraux |
they built a company around it : http://signavio.com/en.html |
2010-02-24 12:19:42 utc |
jmettraux |
I have already a prototype of "translator", but for XPDL or YAWL : http://github.com/jmettraux/ruote-transition |
2010-02-24 12:20:07 utc |
qmx |
poisoned with java =/ |
2010-02-24 12:20:12 utc |
jmettraux |
:( |
2010-02-24 12:20:36 utc |
jmettraux |
too bad your boss doesn't like text process definitions |
2010-02-24 12:20:40 utc |
qmx |
I recently made the switch from 6 yr of fat java |
2010-02-24 12:20:52 utc |
qmx |
he likes - the customers probably no |
2010-02-24 12:21:08 utc |
qmx |
graphic things sell - the sad reality |
2010-02-24 12:21:30 utc |
jmettraux |
that's why I don't sell ;) |
2010-02-24 12:22:03 utc |
qmx |
nowadays we use aasm |
2010-02-24 12:22:19 utc |
jmettraux |
ah nice |
2010-02-24 12:22:31 utc |
qmx |
and it's getting exactly in the shape of the slides |
2010-02-24 12:22:39 utc |
qmx |
:state :hire_a_new_dev |
2010-02-24 12:22:44 utc |
qmx |
:) |
2010-02-24 12:22:56 utc |
jmettraux |
sorry, which slides ? |
2010-02-24 12:23:07 utc |
qmx |
http://ruote.rubyforge.org/presentations.html |
2010-02-24 12:23:35 utc |
jmettraux |
aaah |
2010-02-24 12:24:56 utc |
jmettraux |
complexity explosion |
2010-02-24 12:25:20 utc |
tosch_le |
no success case here, yet. |
2010-02-24 12:25:32 utc |
jmettraux |
aaah |
2010-02-24 12:25:35 utc |
jmettraux |
too bad |
2010-02-24 12:25:46 utc |
jmettraux |
but you were using 0.9 at some point no ? |
2010-02-24 12:25:49 utc |
tosch_le |
there's an app with ruote 0.9.18 in production, but it's not used |
2010-02-24 12:26:07 utc |
jmettraux |
:( |
2010-02-24 12:26:20 utc |
tosch_le |
the clients do their thing with vtiger :-o |
2010-02-24 12:27:10 utc |
jmettraux |
vtiger : "honest open source", nice :) |
2010-02-24 12:27:42 utc |
jmettraux |
oh yeah, I'm a success case |
2010-02-24 12:28:18 utc |
jmettraux |
1 have one app with 0.9.18 in prod. 40 instances of it, in a bank |
2010-02-24 12:28:24 utc |
tosch_le |
vtiger: a shitty crap of software. |
2010-02-24 12:28:26 utc |
tosch_le |
scnr |
2010-02-24 12:54:36 utc |
jmettraux |
I just submitted an issue report to Patron, I hope it will get considered/fixed |
2010-02-24 14:36:34 utc |
jmettraux |
good night ! |